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#131
Dec 27 2017 04:35pm
Guys you need to be really specific now as to the bracket you are talking about.

for MLD - there have not been enough matches for me to consider changing anything (read: Tele DuDu) - We already had years of fine tuning of the rules. The only addition being made is to add in that CTA is banned (it was never used, after we DID test it).
for LLD - There is no simple way to boost all characters against sorc's (the dominant class) thus the % block option would appear to be a reaonable suggestion.
for LLD - noting that DuDu's have in no way been dominant and noting the information provided here - I see no reason to add rules limiting a tele dudu.


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#132
Dec 27 2017 04:40pm
Quote (ferdia @ 27 Dec 2017 22:49)
Rudi - your wording re: Sorc block is banning items (Whitstans, Visc), which is something i have always been at pains to avoid. You have not made it clear why you want this wording, the items (with the 65% block rule) basically enables all Sorc duels to last longer (due to having mana equal to the stat points that are not now dumped to attain 75% block), thus enabling the more skilled opponent to demonstrate his abilities better, while still giving physical characters a better chance at winning.
Bonnerf2 - that Dudu 1 wolf rule which Rudi is talking about is? for LLD Druids, and we dont have ((m)any) LLD Druids, and it has not been tested, and LLD Druids can only get teleport from a staff (no block) whereas MLD Druids can get it from Amulet and Circlet(thus maintaining max block). As LLD druids @ EU have not dominated, i am not convinced and see no reason to make this change (noting again, East is silent on this).

Rudi - Even @ MLD - While i acknowledge that Tele DuDu @ MLD appears to be super strong, the last tournament is not a good indicator noting the size of the tournament, noting similar results can be attained by a skilled player, on any class. Only time, practice and experience will be able to determine if something needs to be adjusted @ MLD in this regard. I would much rather see more results before I nerf the one build on the one class that has as yet not won a MLD tournament.

snipa - ty link.


The reasoning behind 65block is to nerf sorcs vs amas. Since usually tvt revolves around these two classes, it would also benefit tvt. Banning visc & whistans would simply mean less mana/dmg on sorcs compared to simply limiting block, i.e further nerf. My experience on both chars suggests that this would be acceptable to sorcs, but i suppose 65ctb & no ca are a good enough first step and things can be reevaluated after some tour results.
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#133
Dec 27 2017 04:50pm
Quote (bonnerf2 @ 27 Dec 2017 23:35)
Right, well I've had my fill of rule discussions. Go with whatever you all feel best.

I understand what you are trying to achieve but all of this talk has pretty much zapped my interest in D2 for the foreseeable future.

That's unfortunate, but this topic is about discussing rules and i think voicing opinions doesn't hurt anyone. Tour hosts can then do with that whatever they deem reasonable.

The quote i posted showed that dan is fine with 1wolf vs nec and agrees that current rules aren't fair for ama. So then we either allow kb on ama vs druid or we limit pets vs ama as well. My reasoning to prefer the latter:
Less messy in the rules & avoid sitations in tvt where e.g asn vs ama are left and the ama has kb.

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#134
Dec 27 2017 04:54pm
allow wsg and your problems will be solved.
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#135
Dec 27 2017 05:01pm
Quote (rudipk @ Dec 27 2017 11:50pm)
That's unfortunate, but this topic is about discussing rules and i think voicing opinions doesn't hurt anyone.


The thing is you discount other peoples opinions because you don't think they are good enough at dueling.

Look at the LLD population that is left nowadays - I think these discussions are counterproductive and pressing to have that level of balance for the sake of pride duels between the top 1 or 2 of each class will not have the outcome you desire. The majority of people left are not interested in pride duels. I mentioned that my interest in D2 has gone for now and I am not the only one in that boat.
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#136
Dec 27 2017 05:37pm
Quote (bonnerf2 @ 28 Dec 2017 00:01)
The thing is you discount other peoples opinions because you don't think they are good enough at dueling.

Look at the LLD population that is left nowadays - I think these discussions are counterproductive and pressing to have that level of balance for the sake of pride duels between the top 1 or 2 of each class will not have the outcome you desire. The majority of people left are not interested in pride duels. I mentioned that my interest in D2 has gone for now and I am not the only one in that boat.

Whose opinion did i discount? I was open to discuss input by anyone's post i saw, including east players.
I don't see what discussing balance has to do with pride either. Perhaps our backgrounds are just too different to understand eachother

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#137
Dec 27 2017 05:51pm
it is a fact that all of the communities are dying out. I am doing my best to halt or reverse that trend. However, As in the past, so now, rule discussions are divisive, thus I am taking a step back.
rudi - its christmas so i really dont want to argue with you but you are a divisive figure. I guess I am too. I will have to think about my goals (community) vs balancing, as we cannot afford to lose even 1 player.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 27 2017 05:52pm
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#138
Dec 27 2017 06:10pm
I'll tell you what, I would be really interested in building a lv 24 sorc to compete on east if people were interested.
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#139
Dec 27 2017 06:49pm
I will say that there are players around to get at least 6+ LLDs in at a time but most folks on east have a tendency of afking for long periods of time, while the others are impatient but still inclined to duel (most of these guys usually just s/e which kills the vibe).

The other night I randomly made a game and sent out a few pms and 4 other LLDers with 30s joined.
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#140
Dec 27 2017 07:13pm
Quote (ATOMICMAN @ Dec 27 2017 06:10pm)
I'll tell you what, I would be really interested in building a lv 24 sorc to compete on east if people were interested.


i can just give you one :lol:

as to the rules, heres an idea. how about whatever the limit on pets is the limit on bonewalls will be the same.

1 pet, 1 wall. 3 pets, 3 walls. no more than 3 because 4 or 5 walls or pets is a bit silly.

that way a dudu cant swarm an ama, and a nec cant, just for a random example, back into a barrier wall and box in on 3 sides versus a frw barb with only a tiny slot for shooting out bone spirits. not that anyone would ever do that.

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