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Feb 24 2017 09:22am
Quote (Pants1 @ Feb 24 2017 04:19pm)
Why. You're nerfing something way more fundamental to the libby than his life rep. You're stopping him from adding point to vigor for hammer damage synergy and higher synch from vigor. Thata completely idiotic prayer is not bm in my opinion


Lose damage? Surely you gain damage by putting them in blessed aim instead because you dont need the 3 prerequisites of vigor.

True about the higher synch, but the extra points are not necessary to synch well.
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Feb 24 2017 09:27am
Quote (Avenged123 @ Feb 24 2017 11:10am)
Why is this thread still a thing


Some people still think incorrectly about the tier list and we should fix that, no?
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Feb 24 2017 09:27am
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The east metagame is really really hard. My point of view is from libby its what I play, I am in no way dominant amoung the east curlers but I know the meta I think. Most godly zons are even with me because they have trophy javs and super strong pilots. Jawn beat me on his barb but every other barb... Sackshadow and anyone else I've met didn't even touch me with barb. And necros are the most difficult to pilot but when you get a good one like Mikey or one or two others, they are slightly unfavored instead of getting rolled. Druids never impressed me, I hear whispers of a great one around maybe its trev but never played him unless it was years ago. LS sins can wsg here they are tier 1.

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Yeah ikr.. I am just an euro spawn trying to get some good duels/practice. Tbh i wasnt expecting to win a single ft5 when i signed up for ladder, but hey u gotta start somehwere right.. Whenever i played against Lee's Libby on Europe he always brutalized me with synching hammers before i could predict where he was at -_- Leevolka aka chum is a scanner
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to be quite honest when u see the rep ability of a 15 rep pally with prayer hard pointed its a bit much. I was a fan of the east meta when hard pt prayer was BM, even more so now that medi divines are available. But i detest l8z to a point that i know most people don't agree with. For instance i believe being 2 screens away from a barb on an hdin at any time should be l8z, if u stay there at least.
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Quote (bonnerf2 @ Feb 24 2017 11:22am)
Lose damage? Surely you gain damage by putting them in blessed aim instead because you dont need the 3 prerequisites of vigor.

True about the higher synch, but the extra points are not necessary to synch well.


My whole plan revolves around using only 3 or so long charges to synch if changing the level of vigor changes how many charges i need that would affect mana usage. Could need testing. But tearhaunch? Wtfff hate that item
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Feb 24 2017 09:31am
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 24 2017 11:30am)
to be quite honest when u see the rep ability of a 15 rep pally with prayer hard pointed its a bit much. I was a fan of the east meta when hard pt prayer was BM, even more so now that medi divines are available. But i detest l8z to a point that i know most people don't agree with. For instance i believe being 2 screens away from a barb on an hdin at any time should be l8z, if u stay there at least.


I could probably use some tweaking on my distance. I never thought about it but dipping in and out of the minimap lightly shouldn't be bm, like 2 seconds off minimap max perhaps
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Feb 24 2017 09:32am
Quote (Pants1 @ 24 Feb 2017 10:14)
The east metagame is really really hard. My point of view is from libby its what I play, I am in no way dominant amoung the east curlers but I know the meta I think. Most godly zons are even with me because they have trophy javs and super strong pilots. Jawn beat me on his barb but every other barb... Sackshadow and anyone else I've met didn't even touch me with barb. And necros are the most difficult to pilot but when you get a good one like Mikey or one or two others, they are slightly unfavored instead of getting rolled. Druids never impressed me, I hear whispers of a great one around maybe its trev but never played him unless it was years ago. LS sins can wsg here they are tier 1.

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Druids are godly in 1vs1 if the player is good but I don't like em as much for tvt. Still, even if we can say that a godly druid can beat 95% of sorcs, the top level sorcs will always have the advantage vs the top level druids. I find that is the case in most duels... windy is beating 95% of all but the top 5% of any class can usually beat them. The only characters that I find druid keeping 50-50 status with or better vs the top players of each class is amazon and necromancer. Some necros are extremely good at doing nvd though, and if they str bug their boots on top of being skilled it can be especially difficult.
Anyways, tldr of that is that I think druids are one of the best 1vs1 chars overall vs most chars you will meet, but the top players of any char type will usually beat it so it doesn't hold a lot of strength in these best vs best convos.
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Quote (Pants1 @ Feb 24 2017 09:31am)
I could probably use some tweaking on my distance. I never thought about it but dipping in and out of the minimap lightly shouldn't be bm, like 2 seconds off minimap max perhaps


well this is where my ideas get complicated. because i believe that BM guidelines should be somewhat matchup specific. And there's a world of difference between a BVC with tele and a BVA with only frw. typical hdin tactics vs an frw barb is like a 25-0 loss, you should never lose. But i don't like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Feb 24 2017 09:35am
Quote (Pants1 @ 24 Feb 2017 10:27)
Some people still think incorrectly about the tier list and we should fix that, no?


There is no telling who is correct or not, your list is just like, your opinion man.
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Feb 24 2017 09:40am
Quote (Belarathon @ Feb 24 2017 11:32am)
Druids are godly in 1vs1 if the player is good but I don't like em as much for tvt. Still, even if we can say that a godly druid can beat 95% of sorcs, the top level sorcs will always have the advantage vs the top level druids. I find that is the case in most duels... windy is beating 95% of all but the top 5% of any class can usually beat them. The only characters that I find druid keeping 50-50 status with or better vs the top players of each class is amazon and necromancer. Some necros are extremely good at doing nvd though, and if they str bug their boots on top of being skilled it can be especially difficult.
Anyways, tldr of that is that I think druids are one of the best 1vs1 chars overall vs most chars you will meet, but the top players of any char type will usually beat it so it doesn't hold a lot of strength in these best vs best convos.


Tier lists imo have always been about the top players only. If you're casual or just under the top players, you shouldn't sweat the tier list, you could rape with any tier except vt. Look at what you can do with charger who's tier 3 (in my opinion). I really need to try a fireball sorc more and learn how to rape. All the shared ones I've had were geared poorly
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