I changed this thinking about tvt with conv & fb in mind. I'm not sure of cold mastery at 30 but the 135 was also a rather arbitrary limit

for simplicity better to simply remove stacked resistance limits, since putting limits on is only favouring the acknowledged overpowered class. My only concern there is that you are weakening blizzard, although to be fair, blizzard is super strong (except vs a fb'er).

what nerf on druid? 1 wolf, no bear for tele windy?

[primary idea - keep the rules short]

Remove the global ban on CTC Amp - or simply ban it from ama only.

Cap Sorc Replenish life @ 10
Max 65% block on Sorc's.
Remove no ES rule.

All other classes - Max 20 Replenish life

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 27 2017 03:23am

Yes to druid
I would word the block rule as i did in my profile & add no CA
Ban ctcamp on ama is fine by me, although i still think itemlamers are the ones to benefit most from lifting the ban

Im not sure about blizz & res (although east doesnt have a limit and they do fine there?) i can have a look at it when im home friday

There is what, 1 active windy on europe at the moment? This seems like a "I can't beat Dan so let me nerf his char" rule.

Out of curiosity how much testing have you done on a windy with 1 wolf? I know you said rules should be tailored to the top duelers (and I don't consider myself next nor near top of any build), so how many matchups would you expect to win using 1 wolf vs the top sorc, barb, sin, nec etc?

If I am not mistaken there are a lot more windys on East (or there was when it was active) and they didn't have the run of the place.

teledudu was a solidly tier 2 build. never had the overall success of libby, fireball, or firewall in overall results. and later telebarb.

also it should be noted, if teledruids and telebarbs are being lumped under one umbrella rule for telestaffs, that they have different DPS and lockdown ability post tele. After a tele with full 5 wolf zoo a druid can lock down a lot of targets, whereas barb cant. but barb has the edge in DPS post tele, not only due to much more friendly FCR breakpoints but the nature of WW being a many hit check dps machine versus slower and single hit/miss/block tornado.

this thread may also be relevant:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76006102&f=143

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 27 2017 03:38pm

Rudi - your wording re: Sorc block is banning items (Whitstans, Visc), which is something i have always been at pains to avoid. You have not made it clear why you want this wording, the items (with the 65% block rule) basically enables all Sorc duels to last longer (due to having mana equal to the stat points that are not now dumped to attain 75% block), thus enabling the more skilled opponent to demonstrate his abilities better, while still giving physical characters a better chance at winning.
Bonnerf2 - that Dudu 1 wolf rule which Rudi is talking about is? for LLD Druids, and we dont have ((m)any) LLD Druids, and it has not been tested, and LLD Druids can only get teleport from a staff (no block) whereas MLD Druids can get it from Amulet and Circlet(thus maintaining max block). As LLD druids @ EU have not dominated, i am not convinced and see no reason to make this change (noting again, East is silent on this).

Rudi - Even @ MLD - While i acknowledge that Tele DuDu @ MLD appears to be super strong, the last tournament is not a good indicator noting the size of the tournament, noting similar results can be attained by a skilled player, on any class. Only time, practice and experience will be able to determine if something needs to be adjusted @ MLD in this regard. I would much rather see more results before I nerf the one build on the one class that has as yet not won a MLD tournament.

snipa - ty link.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 27 2017 04:03pm

druids at 30 cant hit the correct fcr bp to teleswap / shockwave / nado. if they could maybe a zoo limit would be in order.

honestly a lvl 49 tele shockwave nado would tear up a lot of people, does dan employ this tactic?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 27 2017 03:54pm

No he does not. Its just tele zoo nado.
well, i have not seen that(shockwave). his damage is just insanely high.

snipa you are a fountain of information, thank you.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 27 2017 03:58pm

I was talking about LLD, not MLD. I could see the logic of a change like that on a MLD windy as their damage is pretty high and they can maintain max block while teleporting.

On a 30 windy I really don't see a need for it. The only active windy @ 30 on Europe is Dan (I have one that I like to use and I also have a share one that nobody bothers playing). Trappers can easily kill a windy. Any decent sorc should be able to too. Vs libbys I would say it depends on who has the most experience at the matchup with the advantage to the windy (although an upcharge can wreak havok). Never seen windy vs barb so can't say how that plays out. Bowas and necs are at a disatvantage for sure, and I would expect Dan to 5-0 any bow or nec but then again there are few people Dan wouldn't 5-0 on most builds - not an appropriate yard stick. And a nec can kill an average windy but its tough and requires some specific gear to have a chance (imo) - its a matchup I have played a lot of on East. Munger, Belarathon, Rikid etc should all like using windys and should be able to opine.

the link by snipa already provides the east view on windies (@ lld) and thus I concur with both snipa and you, alongside my own view. I am not changing anything on druids @ 30 (apart from the global repl cap to 20 - apart from sorc's (10). Almost impossible to even get 20 replenish life on a druid i must admit. Amulet, Craft Boots (still need to start making those), not much else in terms of slot locations for druids, apart from Skulls for a ele dudu.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 27 2017 04:05pm