oh ya staff side charging. i love dueling them on my shocker because they think they're invisible but shock breaks synch. so i just get free chasing charges on their staff from time to time.

i think the main thing on the pure hdin is bigger mana, rep, and likely an fhr bp as well as an fcr bp over some setups. and lots have prob not played on one as well balanced as kaz, and might be stuck in the old memory of when libbys weren't as well supplied with godly divines with base medi and stuff. i'm sure a lot of guys remember playing on libbys where it was dual spirit on one side and staff on the other because you couldnt find a nice divine to build on.

I like libby better if the gear is awesome enough. I think they are one of the best 4vs4 chars but not #1 for 1vs1.

lol just a joke. Tbh it was exactly what i expected aswell ^
I was gonna participate in the convo yesterday but after writing a 30min long post, that got deleted cus of connection issues in my area (snowy/rainy/stormy weather here) I Just ragequit..
when i saw Snipa already covering the same post i wanted, i thought there was no reason for me to get involved. And i havent played a paladin before so..
I could give my two shots on bowa MU's, But im not as familiar with east meta game yet..

Using footnotes I added to your and this post to respond to your points, sorry lol edited your point think I fixed it

*kaz mana is 1200 with dual spirit frostburn, still tons of damage charms the charge part wasn't sacrificed for this

**rep for a char using hard pointed prayer is 15, so with honor I'm hitting 10, a single pskull in a magi, which kaz uses for long duels, reaches 15. Using spirit a 10 to amu like rioxes, would fit the pskull magi and match the hdin.

***I had 20 fhr 17 str 7 dex 21 mana 43 cold res 25 light res legit pre patch boots that nailed the fhr breakpoint nicely, they're on trevors legendary pokemonesque charger now.

****setups without 125 are for the birds, I personally believe they're useless. Always 125 fcr

This post was edited by Pants1 on Feb 24 2017 09:07am

Why is this thread still a thing

They have 19 mana

The east metagame is really really hard. My point of view is from libby its what I play, I am in no way dominant amoung the east curlers but I know the meta I think. Most godly zons are even with me because they have trophy javs and super strong pilots. Jawn beat me on his barb but every other barb... Sackshadow and anyone else I've met didn't even touch me with barb. And necros are the most difficult to pilot but when you get a good one like Mikey or one or two others, they are slightly unfavored instead of getting rolled. Druids never impressed me, I hear whispers of a great one around maybe its trev but never played him unless it was years ago. LS sins can wsg here they are tier 1.

Meta summary

This post was edited by Pants1 on Feb 24 2017 09:15am

On EU no hard point prayer allowed so it can be trickier to get that rep life without honor. Not that I think that forcing people to get medi on scepters or using tearhaunch for vigor is a bad thing.

holy Shadow slippers

Why. You're nerfing something way more fundamental to the libby than his life rep. You're stopping him from adding point to vigor for hammer damage synergy and higher synch from vigor. EU rules are completely idiotic prayer is not bm in my opinion

This post was edited by Pants1 on Feb 24 2017 09:20am