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Dec 6 2013 05:13pm
A little more than 10frw

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Dec 6 2013 05:39pm
10frw is a lot, you guys might be right. thought it was 5frw
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Dec 7 2013 10:26am
Quote (IAmAsylum @ 6 Dec 2013 09:38)
Thats fairly insulting to say.

I did the damage calcs for multiple setups; they way I socketed items and the items I used make for the most versatile setup.

40 life vs 1 socket on armor.
19 or 20 damage is 3 grand charms basically
3 grand charms is 60 life vs 135 life and 63 mana
Rare armor is incredibly sub par

Damage jewels in armor add more damage then Ed/dex when used in conjunction with my specific dex and gear combo, that is why there are e jewels in the circlet. I've tested both setups and I've tested using a calc the difference using a -15 in the armor makes.

I use my brain when building characters, I test, retest, and do the math.


Btw last zon guide I looked at was one I wrote


I agree that the regular maxered breast plate slightly edges out the rare armor in most situations. I do think that the rare armor has a place though, and that the math is a little closer to and may even favor the rare armor if you can find one with 2mdr/resistances (resistance is somewhat equal to some amount of mana)

40 life vs 1 socket on armor revisited:

20 damage is 3.3 grand charms
3.3 grand charms is 66 life (+40) vs 135 life
135-106=29 life (I'd never take the life loss, but rather the damage loss and I'll show you why. Instead of a 29life loss I'd be taking a 40 life gain at a slight dmg loss.)

This is not factoring in what can be gained from the 2 magic damage reduction mod (and the possible avoidance of hits from the enhanced defense mod that most rare armor have, but we won't try to factor that in for now) It may not seem like 2mdr can do much. But this mod is incredibly effective for these low damage lvl18 duels that have a high rep life to potential damage ratio.

Example: lvl18 zon vs zon duel

bowa 1 has your ga damage (161-566 guided) with 0mdr and max resistance to both fire and lightning (very important and underrated at lvl18). Let's give her 25-35 fire dmg from cow kings and let's say she's using 3 15life/1-11lightning dmg charms (very common source of dmg at lvl18). Her physical dmg is going to be 133- 498 (25-35fire 3-33lightning) which is 22-83 (0-5lightning 4-6fire dmg) after the pvp penalty. with 75% resistance to fire and lightning from her opponent her elemental damage is reduced to 0-1 lightning 1-2 fire dmg. If her opponent has 2mdr her physical dmg is lowered by 1-3 dmg per hit.

bowa 2: has the same dmg as your zon minus 20max which will be more considering ed% lets just say 60 for now (161-506) she also has 25-35 fire damage from cow kings and the 3 15life/1-11lightning dmg charms. her physical dmg is going to be 133-438 (28-68 elemental) which is 22-73 (0-5lightning 4-6fire dmg). With her opponents resistances at 75% her elemental dmg is 0-1 lightning 1-2 fire dmg. for an additional 1-3 elemental dmg per hit. The 2mdr would be a swing of 2-6 dmg per hit making comparative potential dmg's from bowa 1 = 21-80 vs bowa 2 = 23-76

You can see where magic damage reduction could have huge consequences here, especially with the rep life/life to damage potential so low. I made it an effort to have as close to 10mdr on all my lvl18's as possible. I view mdr as being nearly as important as rep life at this level. You could make a case that mdr should be capped at this level for how much it handicaps certain builds and lower damage characters.

The 63 mana that you listed can be met offset up to 30 (7mana on a charm being swapped by a 7% single res sc) by a single resistance or up to 60 (dreaming i know) by a perfect dual resistance armor.

(I apologize if any of my math is off)

This post was edited by mikeyjd on Dec 7 2013 10:28am
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Dec 7 2013 05:23pm
I agree, rare armor has to have like 5/6 affixes nearly perfect to be useful though
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Dec 8 2013 09:21am


on eu ladder (onair is selling).
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Dec 8 2013 11:12am
Quote (grimaud @ Dec 6 2013 11:39pm)
10frw is a lot, you guys might be right. thought it was 5frw


still not a bad idea,
ýou can add res on jewels 2, you will use one extra frw charm.
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Dec 8 2013 02:40pm
2 of my new ladder goodies, never seen any better javs so i would like to know if ppl have better.




This post was edited by chum on Dec 8 2013 02:41pm
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Dec 8 2013 03:39pm
epic toothpicks ofc :thumbsup:
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Dec 8 2013 04:31pm
chum, where you finding all this ladder stuff? you had a sick haul last season too... i dont play ladder but i feel like im missing out on these snipes!

awesome javs.
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Dec 8 2013 05:31pm
Quote (CruiseR88 @ Dec 8 2013 02:31pm)
chum, where you finding all this ladder stuff? you had a sick haul last season too... i dont play ladder but i feel like im missing out on these snipes!

awesome javs.


Thanks hehe. Just through friends and botters
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