I think riox, jimwizard, sackshadow (does the name sackshadow mean "mudflap for your asshole"?), rpg, all have gear similar to kaz right?

Ivaleaya assumed kaz was only marginally the best until ibtraded the boots that allowed fhr bp on insight to be reached

Idk their gear tho, riox I've seen the most.

This post was edited by Pants1 on Feb 24 2017 08:20am

By ladder reset I'll show you all a din with 2.5k ham dmg and 2k charge.

I think there are a few similar geared chars out there just not a lot that get used any more. It get's confusing too because for a while any hdin with a staff for charging was calling themselves a libby. IDK which of them run 125 bp tho, i assumed but may be wrong that they all run 75.

Edited out double post oops



You're describing a libby basically minus some skill point changes I think that don't matter

Yeah marginally better. But its overkill dude. You don't need the extra mana or the life, youll rape barbs with double spirits or any other char that hdin already rapes, libby playing hdin gear swap will too.

Hdin is better than libby in matchups that charge doesn't help, but its marginal and its unecessary when libby mana and life pool is1200, way way plenty

Go ahead increase your odds of beating barbs from 80% to 90% by using the hdin, and hamper your matchups beyond just trap and sin. Necro, druid, zon, other hammerdins, lol come on

This post was edited by Pants1 on Feb 24 2017 08:30am

Lol i think all he meant was a full on hdin, skull'd gear and all, with a staff on swap. no scs, no dmg jewels, not even a swap to bfists or anything.

i ran one on ladder years back and called it a libby, but it really could only charge kill when i was being cheeky or on a staff out.

and tbh the mana/life is only one aspect. the rep is higher i would guess on a pure hdin setup.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 24 2017 08:30am

Higher rep without honor ;)?
And his dinky little hits with his hdin on whoops stick won't be enough to hurt the sin and vs a zon? What does he think they let him charge their bow side with insight lol? He thinks he can tank huge bow shots with insight out? The fuck

A real zon has a monster jav swap, they all do

This post was edited by Pants1 on Feb 24 2017 08:33am

an hdin maintains rep cap and 125 fcr. id guess you're running sub repcap on 125 fcr but if not that's a great setup.

the charge stick is only really used for a synched charge where u catch them off guard, enough to pk a zons bow side but likely not a sin. but bowa and sin are prob the 2 worst matchups for a pure hdin, so the charge stick is really just your best chance to get a big hit not really a main strategy. i'd say at least a 24 maxer pcrown or something would help as well as some charms to swap in.

but that's really a ladder build, i'm not aware of any pure pure hdin on east nl, Orc maybe but i think he still has a strong charge.

should just call this thread "Hdin or libby?"

Hmm I underestimated charge damage for hdins most likely. But don't they charge with a war staff to avoid adding tons of points?

And as far as not having max rep
Kaz has no rep on amulet and ring but that's cuz his gear unfortunately doesn't have it, doesn't mean another libby couldn't find some, riox has sick 10 rep libby amulet.

Kaz is on the hdin side of the libby spectrum, but can squeeze out some insane charge dmg on 1 hand side because of the gear.

I guess that's why I'm not really seeing where hdin is better cuz kaz is mostly hdin. Even the charms are 24 /16 hdin to charger charms

Its tier discussion brah its exactly what I expected. Is bad thing?