also found this little tidbit in addition to the above paste and copy, lol. its referring to dual weilding

While a target is in range, one of the weapons' speed is
constantly used to calculate the next hit-check frame. If there's no target in
range, the game will alternate between weapon speeds to calculate the next
hit-check frame.

so the bonuses are becoming slimmer and slimmer - however you aren't using a +15 all res amulet as far as I know but If I remember correctly your helm has + all res-
how do you figure the extra pt in nat. res wouldn't help your cold stack? we're talking about +1 on honor, you could still use peace if you wanted

ah, I see- you thought when I said "that crits" was referring to the usage of peace when instead I was talking about honor
edit: cool thread - 24 hours ago I think a lot more people would've pushed for robo/honor, I havne't been around long but this is the first time I've seen a topic in this section somewhat thoroughly bust a gear route that's been widely considered the standard
pros and cons either way, for sure - but I think the balance has been tipped in the last several pages
second edit: gotcha @ comment #104


This post was edited by macktasticvoyage on Feb 9 2010 12:05am

if im using duel robos im using peace (30 cold res)
if im using robo/honor im using 72/80 (an extra point in nat res)

w/e though

someone help me make sense of what meeqz is saying

well bed time for me

ill check in in the morning

just use gales, ftw

dupes should be charsid

I've found the arguments for the two setups (Robo/robo/peace and robo/honor/lifer plate) to be compelling on both sides of the equation.

I am still slightly in favor of robo/robo/peace. The robo/honor/lifer plate combo will give you like 160 - 200 hps(post-BO), some ar and some frw, depending on your BO level. That's great but it doesn't match up to 1512 damage difference between setups. Personally, I just can't justify it's use vs Robo/Robo/Peace.

Another thing we haven't really talked about is the fact that you can change robos quite a bit, they can be incredibly versatile. 1512 damage is a massive enough damage advantage over the other setups, that you could easily sub-out some of the damage to cover other vital stats a LLD barb will need taken care of, such as mana or ar.

I don't believe the poster is even considering robo/robo ampos but I think its worth mentioning to those who are interested, that according to my math (which I checked and re-checked but is never immune from error)

With peace, I was doing (CS considered, at a total of 51% via 38%/peace and 21%/mastery -- I did NOT stack the two) around 980ish per attack. keep in mind, however, the crit calculations were based on my having +1 all skills from battle command and +1 all from another item.

With Ampos, the dmg was around 915 per attack(21% cs considered)-
about a 65 or 70 dmg discrepancy - lets say 11 pvp dmg - let's again say (just for example's sake) that it takes 7 hits to kill your opponent - you've lost 77 pvp dmg over the 7 hits.

what this means is when compared to peace, Ampos offers -77 dmg (per duel, estimated every step of the way) and 135+ life -

so your opponent gains +77 hp while you gain +135.

of course with a slightly lower crit % than I had (you probably wont have +2 all, unless using honor) the dmg difference margin narrows, making the +130 life even more worthwhile -

I really do think the peace vs. ampos issue comes down to preference- a little more dmg versus a sizeable life bonus - while robo vs honor to me is an easier choice (a lot more dmg versus a smidge of everything, some of which you may not need at all for the person you're dueling)

I also don't think robo/robo or robo/honor has to necessarily be tied to either armor option.

edit: I do believe my "per attack" calculations were done with a 69 or 70max ampos, not a 72. (again narrowing the dmg gap)

This post was edited by macktasticvoyage on Feb 9 2010 02:45am

vouch this guy he seems pretty smart