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Jan 8 2022 06:02pm
Quote (QueeF @ Jan 8 2022 03:43pm)
Yeah lol I cant duel without wsg sadly. D2r like 2-0'd me hard bro. Took out my wsg which I loved to use on like all my characters also my plaguer she was my fav to wsg on. Since I was pure dual javas no bow. And then they got rid of synch so now I can't even play dins which I also love.

Not to mention the skill cap on d2r is legit dueling pure pvmers, which is not even worth playing. I dont mind pvming though I guess fg's way 2 free lol



Ya, the skill cap on d2r is bad… it’s basically 2002 lld, that’s ok, ppl can enjoy being bad at a game.. everyone plays for different reasons.
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Jan 9 2022 06:45am
Quote (QueeF @ Jan 8 2022 10:34pm)
Then you have never dueled be4.

They were super broken even with wsg in d2 , and now with no wsg what so ever they are god tier.


pretty much this.

also re: dins, to be honest the skil curve for dins has improved in d2r compared to d2 as its much harder to kill certain classes with it now. charge is also way better now of course (even if sync is worse).
and finally, in terms of overall skill its true that d2r has a mixed bag but we have a starting point and after a few thousand duels most players improve.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 9 2022 06:47am
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Jan 9 2022 10:31am
Quote (ferdia @ Jan 9 2022 07:45am)
pretty much this.

also re: dins, to be honest the skil curve for dins has improved in d2r compared to d2 as its much harder to kill certain classes with it now. charge is also way better now of course (even if sync is worse).
and finally, in terms of overall skill its true that d2r has a mixed bag but we have a starting point and after a few thousand duels most players improve.


I know charge is alot better now I love it tbh, id be tempted to revive Canada on D2r but would involve me finding a gg hammer :*(. Thing is when you develop a playstyle around synch its hard to adjust with the snap of the finger.

What do you think ppl will do coming the reset? Stick it out on nl or try out the new season? I only ask becuz its so different now that no1 bots , mfing is just as effective nl as ladder.
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Jan 9 2022 10:55am
in my own view everyone will play the ladder season, similar to how they did in D3, i.e. first 2-3 weeks very active, then a sharp drop off, but alot of pvp players will ofc play the entire ladder. New Runewords, a Ladder, that caters to just about everyone (by this I mean D2 and D3 players) and a cronic lack of gear in nonladder still. This will continue until such time as the pvp nonladder player base has built up sufficiently from items picked up in ladders.

In terms of D2r, and trophy items, it took decades for us to see alot of them. I personally think that some people are close minded and/or have little or no clue as to how hard it is to get good jewels/items and they now cant even appreciate/comprehend good items that may already not be beaten for years.

Look at the LLD topic here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91631928&f=103
or some of the D2r topic's here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91133293&f=103 and here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90638736&f=103 and here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91128759&f=103

There are 2 ratings for the lld items, 4/10 and 6/10. that just shows me how retarded and clueless players are. I use the word retarded fairly here, as they really are mentally challenged having been brainwashed into not rating something unless it is virtually perfect. I call these D2 players "D3 players" noting they expect everything to be primal perfect.

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Jan 9 2022 11:44am
Quote (ferdia @ 9 Jan 2022 11:55)
in my own view everyone will play the ladder season, similar to how they did in D3, i.e. first 2-3 weeks very active, then a sharp drop off, but alot of pvp players will ofc play the entire ladder. New Runewords, a Ladder, that caters to just about everyone (by this I mean D2 and D3 players) and a cronic lack of gear in nonladder still. This will continue until such time as the pvp nonladder player base has built up sufficiently from items picked up in ladders.

In terms of D2r, and trophy items, it took decades for us to see alot of them. I personally think that some people are close minded and/or have little or no clue as to how hard it is to get good jewels/items and they now cant even appreciate/comprehend good items that may already not be beaten for years.

Look at the LLD topic here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91631928&f=103
or some of the D2r topic's here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91133293&f=103 and here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90638736&f=103 and here -> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91128759&f=103

There are 2 ratings for the lld items, 4/10 and 6/10. that just shows me how retarded and clueless players are. I use the word retarded fairly here, as they really are mentally challenged having been brainwashed into not rating something unless it is virtually perfect. I call these D2 players "D3 players" noting they expect everything to be primal perfect.



That is a derogatory term that can never be used fairly. It’s disgusting. I mean come on, calling someone a “D3 player” is just wrong.
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Jan 11 2022 11:47am
Quote (QueeF @ Jan 8 2022 12:34pm)
Then you have never dueled be4.

They were super broken even with wsg in d2 , and now with no wsg what so ever they are god tier.



LOL this. Get out on the Blood Moor a bit and then come back here.
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Jan 11 2022 01:10pm
Quote (WereWolf12345 @ 9 Jan 2022 00:12)
go and duel a few; i think youll change your opinion quite fast :P

1) wsg was removed so you can stunlock people with traps + mind blast
2) frw desync was removed and screen resolution was increased, so dragon flight is now a much better mobility/chasing tool.
3) all finishers now ignore shield block, weap block, dodge, avoid, and defense (dtalon, dtail, dc, df). so you can easily spread OW with df and you can kill people with 3-4 full kicks.

all that said, we do not have a single fire trapper on d2r yet. we do have plenty of ls trapper & kickers though, both of which are very high tier on d2r.


i switched to fire "classic 29 build" now, after i tested kicksin and saw she s kinda bugged now with the always hit thingy,

and WoF MB like on 29duels is also kinda lame build now and boring after few games, so i kinda partked her now and lets see what changes and mby some new rules will make :D
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Jan 12 2022 05:45pm
Quote (ferdia @ Jan 8 2022 07:07am)
it was a fringe build in d2
with stun and unblockable kicks, its viable in d2r.

mindblast + wof will work as will wof + dragonflight + kicks.



In legacy, I made a WoF hybrid on ladder 2 ladders ago. Literally slapt everyone. But competition on ladder is much less.
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Jan 12 2022 08:20pm
Lets just say it playing wof on d2 killed it CummyTip in pure orignal wof did work 1v1 and was insane in teams.

Chain lock mb wof and fie blast was absolutely hilarious and absurd to watch!



Put Ted on a wof d2r and it would literally be all over!

This post was edited by camolot68plus1 on Jan 12 2022 08:23pm
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Jan 15 2022 04:31am
I madeosm epiece of shit version of this with no claws and dueled on it a few times. 6.5/10
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