Rpg posted this tvt video from ages ago that is re orded from ClanBK's perspective. Im on chub_toad.
The video is very blurry, but as a "support char" i almost get as many kills as he does on a bowa. I think i die once in the video.
The opposing team had a bowa + a charger. No one stacked DR/MDR.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82070363&f=143

The problem though is that people always complain about bowas and chargers being op. If both of those builds have 0 reduction, they are manageable in a team comp.

Well, like you know Im gonna be doing an 18 1v1 tour shortly on euro. TVT always picks up then too. Happy to put you on a trophy ph/bf sin and play around with mdr and see how it goes in practice. Our experiences to date of these matchups seems very different.



I will put me on a bowa and seby on a pala. You on a ph/bf and take your pick of partner and build. They are op 1v1 and completely broken in tvt if played correctly.

This post was edited by LaochraGael on Jan 14 2020 07:35am

You can just do private duels on my 0 DR/MDR bowa vs My hybrid sin. I have charm swaps for you to customize it to your preference.

I just checked - my own zon setup is 0dr, 0mdr. I have a ring with 2dr when I need to get my rep life below 10 (basically its at 12 usually for fun duels but if i have to conform to a ruleset I can throw on the 2dr 40mana ring to bring it to 9 rep - this was from when the cap on life rep was brought in and people were scrambling for any non-rep rings and settled for shit ones)

Ill grab andy some evening for some duels on various different hyb zons.

MDR 5 is a good limit, idk why you have PDR + MDR cannot exceed 5 and then say that MDR is banned; most rare armors have MDR at this point so you're excluding soooooo many good items by saying this? PH sin does just fine vs 5 mdr

I think zon rep limit is too low, disallow glitched treads and raise rep limit to 15 ish. This lets zons use actual good rings and not just random crap xD; if you're worried lower zons frw limit to 71 or disallow KB

amp needs to be allowed on nec for tvt

Allow hybrid flail for shifter druid

This post was edited by IAmAsylum on Jan 14 2020 08:07am

Taking amp off nec also makes summon necs completely unplayable. and from what ive heard Eu tvt tends to have a few of those from time to time.

Fateful, a few years back, lobbied to get sockets reduced on chargers. they get an extra 2 in their shields, and can boost that even more through ez DS in clegs. requiring a 2 os shield (rare of some kind) and a robo instead of clegs could be an idea. it just comes down to who plays pallys and if they're willing to rebuild them. personally i think if u make chargers have zero frw, zero rep, 2 os shields, and even require rare only weapons, they still kill everything with relative ease. im fairly certain u could limit them to 1 hard pt charge 1 hard pt might, force them to leave all other skills empty, and they'd still win. but that's 1v1 and not tvt.

then the question is how, or can you even, make up for the lack of kit all chars have other than pallys. zons are already close enough, no need for a buff. but then do you nerf them just to make them closer to the pack but further from chargers? and all of your changes need to be, for the most part, without changing char level. complete rebuilds are out in a fairly inactive bracket. ive always found the easiest to be inventory changes. lack of frw, lack of res from charms, etc.

really tho, and a thought ive had for a LONG time, is a mana limit on chargers. if a charger has say 100 mana max, they'll wear angelics and have more ar they already dont need. they'll get more dmg, rep, etc. but they'll oom quickly and be forced to throw more or zeal more, both things that can be dealt with easier than a pally charging then ghosting you. limit mana on chargers i say, angelics are cheap, and less mana charms in inv. see what that does to the meta.

Sammich is such a great name.

I like the idea of limiting mana but if you do it by saying “only 100 mana” then chargers need 15-28 new charms which kinda sucks but they can use 6/xx20’s or plain 15’s instead

Saying something like “chargers can only use Angelics” wipes out 60-120 mana cheaply which I’m on board with, maybe limit to 1 pt might as well

Another option for crippling zons would be to limit to 1 pt crit

forcing angelics is def the cheaper midrange option. token + angelics = 3 fg. see what that does and maybe work out further limitation.


also i support hyb flail on 18 shaper, they're just so bad otherwise lol. i still remember your old guide which basically ended "yeah they still suck even when fully optimized on single player"

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 14 2020 08:29am