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Apr 22 2019 06:36pm
Quote (Worrywart @ Apr 23 2019 12:07am)
On a level 30 bowa it would be very difficult.

Bowside wouldn't be too difficult, you just use a bow with low max like an up'd rogues bow or something. The jav side might not even be attainable with regular high damage harpoons.
You have to replace at least some of your max scs with something else to have any hope of making min>max on either side.

So once you start replacing high damage weapons with low damage weapons, high damage jewels with low damage jewels and high damage charms with 0 damage ccharms you're left with a build that has significantly less average damage than a plain bowa at several times the cost.
Not to mention the sheer effort involved in finding jewels.

There's basically no upside


I thought min > max on bows doesnt work the same way? I was considering it for a lvl12 bowa a couple of years ago and i think it was peka who broke the news to me.
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Apr 23 2019 07:17am
Quote (Boozar @ 22 Apr 2019 10:47)
Somebody tried to make 30 lvl chars for high min dmg?

its too difficult as many have stated here
it just scales much better at 9-18 due to skill choices and jewel/other gear options
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Apr 23 2019 01:17pm
Quote (meegz1 @ Apr 22 2019 07:24pm)
weaj had a min dmg zealot at 30. all it did was boost average damage, never enough +min to beat the max damage at 30


Electricwizard's zealot had all +min gear but it wasn't enough either.
I think you would have to use a 3os/80 life and some sort of awful weapon base in order to get there and that's going to be worse than just going for max damage.

And +max builds have higher average damage than +min builds anyway at all levels if we're talking about perfect gear

This post was edited by Worrywart on Apr 23 2019 01:17pm
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Apr 23 2019 01:23pm
Let's give honourable mention to Ted+ machetebill's min dmg level 18 charger Ike :thumbsup:
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Apr 23 2019 01:41pm
Quote (Worrywart @ Apr 23 2019 01:17pm)
Electricwizard's zealot had all +min gear but it wasn't enough either.
I think you would have to use a 3os/80 life and some sort of awful weapon base in order to get there and that's going to be worse than just going for max damage.

And +max builds have higher average damage than +min builds anyway at all levels if we're talking about perfect gear


jim's iirc used a naga, i'd log in but it died a few years back.

+max have higher ave dmg, but u get a consistent 1 shot if u can play with the numbers a bit and use some +min-max jewels over plain old 24's.

still not a great idea by-and-large and the jewels would be ungodly hard to get. jim had all his gear and a mule besides that poofed, otherwise there's be about 4x chars worth of godly min dmg jewel options.
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Apr 23 2019 01:47pm
Quote (Worrywart @ Apr 23 2019 02:17pm)
Electricwizard's zealot had all +min gear but it wasn't enough either.
I think you would have to use a 3os/80 life and some sort of awful weapon base in order to get there and that's going to be worse than just going for max damage.

And +max builds have higher average damage than +min builds anyway at all levels if we're talking about perfect gear


weaj's has a 5 fpa honor divine and 4 fpa robo divine setup. with peace & lifer plate both. neither one manages to push the min up enough to meet the max damage, but it does make for some super consistent damage, and every crit is a chunk
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Apr 23 2019 02:09pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 23 2019 02:41pm)
jim's iirc used a naga, i'd log in but it died a few years back.

+max have higher ave dmg, but u get a consistent 1 shot if u can play with the numbers a bit and use some +min-max jewels over plain old 24's.

still not a great idea by-and-large and the jewels would be ungodly hard to get. jim had all his gear and a mule besides that poofed, otherwise there's be about 4x chars worth of godly min dmg jewel options.


Chargers have such high max dmg already it's kinda dumb to use all* maxers. Some 24's work well here and there but I think the majority of us use min/maxers. I have a nice stash of them on a mule for any upgrades I get. (Though none are close to 12-18's)
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Apr 23 2019 02:21pm
Quote (JonBmx @ Apr 23 2019 02:09pm)
Chargers have such high max dmg already it's kinda dumb to use all* maxers. Some 24's work well here and there but I think the majority of us use min/maxers. I have a nice stash of them on a mule for any upgrades I get. (Though none are close to 12-18's)


That's true. i am sometimes stuck in 2009 when it was 24 maxers or bust.
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Apr 23 2019 02:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 23 2019 03:21pm)
That's true. i am sometimes stuck in 2009 when it was 24 maxers or bust.


Don't get me wrong, like wart said, max is important for higher average, but chargers are the one class I think min/maxers are actually good on.
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Apr 23 2019 02:32pm
Quote (JonBmx @ Apr 23 2019 02:24pm)
Don't get me wrong, like wart said, max is important for higher average, but chargers are the one class I think min/maxers are actually good on.


100% they are a good idea, especially given that they win a great number of matchups in 1-2 hits or they die. if u get a MIN hit you're fucked even if u hit 4 times, 1 max hit and they die. good math in the middle range.

12-18's > 24s anyhow, 6 more dmg to the Ave. rares have always been > 24s but no one kept rares lmao, like zero pickits had those jewels and everyone had 24s
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