Quote (Avenged123 @ Nov 21 2018 03:32am)

If your aim is to stun, max mb rest in wof... will be a little dmg + cause fhr lock... no need for kick cause kick is aids... get 2shadow disc circ/amu , then look for 4wof/4mb claw or 5mb/3wof claw

Quote (mike_roch @ 21 Nov 2018 04:52)

I mostly agree with this statement but I personally love using the more odd characters. If you do indeed go with kick secondary I would still use war boots they will benefit you the entire duel but gtoes hurt you most of the duel.

Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 21 2018 01:38am)

Once the stun swirls are on top of the enemy's head (from MB), any attack fhrs them... You don't need dmg on your WoF at all to stun... In fact I don't even think WoF can reach a high enough damage to fhr most chars in LLD without MB stun...

to be clear: lvl 1 wof or lvl tel:10000001000000[/URL] wof will both stun the exact same once the "stun swirl" is applied from MB ..

also, the 50% cb kicks is where the "fun part" comes in. Killing people with kick. My goal was to make something you don't usually see in tvts that can still do some damage and help out. Once someone is good with locking people down (like scipi is) I can imagine kicks being easy to land

Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 21 2018 01:48am)

Yeah not really looking to make a WoF sin. As stated multiple times, looking to make something you don't usually see. I would be focusing on locking people down with MB+ lvl 1 wof, then dflighting in to land a few CB kicks and then either teleing away or reapplying the stun + Wof to keep kicking.

I'm trying to make a Kick/MB, so I'd like advice on how I can improve my build as a Kick/MB sin, not just telling me to change to wof lol

Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 21 2018 03:58am)

Yeah if I wanted to make a WoF sin I would have looked up a WoF sin guide or asked one of the many WoF lld sins for advice. Sorry if my annoyance is apparent but this is the same as if someone asked for blizz sorc advice and people just said "max fireball instead". Fireball is stronger, just as WoF would be stronger, we all know it, but that's not what I am building. I am trying to build a kick/mb sin. :wallbash:

I thought about using upgraded soul shanks as boots or w/e other war boots but it's like an extra +35 strength i'd need which would easily take me under 1k life and I thought 50% CB kicks sounded good for the playstyle I was going for? To dip in/out quickly do some fast CB strikes to help team dps but mostly a support char. Not sure though I'm sure I will try both out tbh.

Quote (Avenged123 @ 21 Nov 2018 04:59)

The cause for wof is to fhr lock so they have to wsg, puts opponent on the defensive w/ a character that’s already super u/p my mb sin has ~125-150 wof dmg and does alright vs everything 1v1 except nec and barb.

The thing is kick is aids and mb is aids... so it’s just double aids... even “good” kick hybrids are trash so I don’t get why you want to try to focus on kick..

Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 21 2018 02:03am)

Oh my goodness, but do you realize how stun swirls work? A 1 dmg WoF will fhr your opponant exactly the same amount as a 10 trillion damage WoF once they have the "stun" on them from MB. Getting more WoF damage will NOT help my stun in any way whatsoever, period.

I was going to make a pure MB sin but thought it sounded boring as hell. The 50% CB kicks I believe add flavour to the character and a challenge.

Quote (mike_roch @ 21 Nov 2018 05:01)

Even with stun I dont see you get very good kicks in most games or easily escaping with such low frw. I just feel the higher base kick damage plus res frw fhr ect from rare boots win out.

Quote (Avenged123 @ 21 Nov 2018 05:05)

The max wof isn’t for “stun” it’s for more wof dmg obv... but go ahead and make kick... rare boots > gtoes

Quote (Avenged123 @ 21 Nov 2018 04:59)

The cause for wof is to fhr lock so they have to wsg, puts opponent on the defensive w/ a character that’s already super u/p my mb sin has ~125-150 wof dmg and does alright vs everything 1v1 except nec and barb.

The thing is kick is aids and mb is aids... so it’s just double aids... even “good” kick hybrids are trash so I don’t get why you want to try to focus on kick..

Quote (Co99020 @ 21 Nov 2018 05:06)

I guess if u wanna be a kick mb sin...maybe get +2 shadow stuff instead of MA and adding into venom to add to your kick damage would be nice..but then again this would have to be tested😂 also the + shad would boost the mb dmg