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Jul 13 2018 03:17pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2018 04:08pm)
you leave my boy goomshill alone!

he may not be a dueling expert but he's an expert on getting kills in pubs with builds that shouldnt be able to kill anything more than a fallen. he's been trolling pubs for 10+ years on terribad builds.

excuses shouldnt enter into the conversation, no build has an excuse to lose to a summon dudu except a ww barb. even then 1 pt zerk and u can easily win.

all of my troll chars have zero, literally zero, advantage matches. but some are less disadvantageous than others. i designed my psn dagger sin just to one day make someones mouth drop that's on an ES sorc because she deals 90%+ HP in one shot. i have yet to kill a single sorc, and maybe only have 1-2 kills total.

goom does it on ladder, i do it on NL. we both find it fun to duel at a heavy disadvantage.


Yeah but you can get kills on higher tier characters. Goom would die 5 times in tier one character without opponent using Akara
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Jul 13 2018 03:23pm
Quote (Dongdale @ Jul 13 2018 03:17pm)
Yeah but you can get kills on higher tier characters. Goom would die 5 times in tier one character without opponent using Akara


true, but we have a bit different goals. my main goal is to make unviable builds viable by tweeking them, usually adding some itemlame pieces to make it work. my shocker is a good example, i couldnt get half the kills i get without a perfect inventory and a helm with 3x 1-60light/20 ave phys dmg jewels, with a matching armor. i lost a LOOOOOOOOOT more for years before it got those items, and its the only char of its kind on all realms.

goom is more about leaving an unviable build as is itemwise and exploiting game tactics and being patient to eventually get a kill on noobs. like his WSG exploiting builds that otherwise are in like 100 fg of gear.

but i've got a lot of respect for theory crafters, good duelers come and go. some stay, but overall theory crafters love the game more and stick around longer.

not that it has anything to do with PVP but goom is also the best classic rusher i've ever seen without MH. rivals many people with MH in speed in fact.
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Jul 13 2018 03:52pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2018 05:08pm)
you leave my boy goomshill alone!

he may not be a dueling expert but he's an expert on getting kills in pubs with builds that shouldnt be able to kill anything more than a fallen. he's been trolling pubs for 10+ years on terribad builds.

excuses shouldnt enter into the conversation, no build has an excuse to lose to a summon dudu except a ww barb. even then 1 pt zerk and u can easily win.

all of my troll chars have zero, literally zero, advantage matches. but some are less disadvantageous than others. i designed my psn dagger sin just to one day make someones mouth drop that's on an ES sorc because she deals 90%+ HP in one shot. i have yet to kill a single sorc, and maybe only have 1-2 kills total.

goom does it on ladder, i do it on NL. we both find it fun to duel at a heavy disadvantage.


killing pubs on ladder is so easy that even rpg could do it

I've been using almost nothing but shit builds since 2004 and nobody thinks I'm good at it either.

goomshill is crap, even by ladder pub standards. I would be willing to wager a significant amount of money that he would lose to a ft5 and you already know I havent even dueled anyone in almost a year

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true, but we have a bit different goals. my main goal is to make unviable builds viable by tweeking them, usually adding some itemlame pieces to make it work. my shocker is a good example, i couldnt get half the kills i get without a perfect inventory and a helm with 3x 1-60light/20 ave phys dmg jewels, with a matching armor. i lost a LOOOOOOOOOT more for years before it got those items, and its the only char of its kind on all realms.

goom is more about leaving an unviable build as is itemwise and exploiting game tactics and being patient to eventually get a kill on noobs. like his WSG exploiting builds that otherwise are in like 100 fg of gear.

but i've got a lot of respect for theory crafters, good duelers come and go. some stay, but overall theory crafters love the game more and stick around longer.


That's always been my goal in hld too. The difference between goomshill and I is that he thinks his builds are good.

This post was edited by Worrywart on Jul 13 2018 03:53pm
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killing pubs on ladder is so easy that even rpg could do it

I've been using almost nothing but shit builds since 2004 and nobody thinks I'm good at it either.

goomshill is crap, even by ladder pub standards. I would be willing to wager a significant amount of money that he would lose to a ft5 and you already know I havent even dueled anyone in almost a year



That's always been my goal in hld too. The difference between goomshill and I is that he thinks his builds are good.


you guys need to stop conflating skill for knowledge. someone with no hands can be knowledgeable about the general statistical breakdown of a build vs other builds, and what tactics work best.

goomshill was the first i ever saw to make a lvl 30 dumo dudu, all the way back on lld 101. then it came over to jsp and there were many many threads where he was called an idiot with people strawmanning him as if he was claiming it was good or even viable. being more of a troll than he is now he played his part well and had most of the subforum on a string for years and years.

do take note that this unnecessary assessment of goom's skill got started when i stated quite simply that goom's list of matchups for sumo dudu had bowa near the top for best matchup. which is still valid in my opinion. i can think of a few that might be higher but it's still up there. if you think that goom thinks his builds are legit viable he may have you on a string as tight as he had Break in the "what the best way to find a +3 defiance war scepter" thread. look that one up for some good belly chuckles if u can find it.
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Jul 13 2018 06:11pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2018 04:23pm)
true, but we have a bit different goals. my main goal is to make unviable builds viable by tweeking them, usually adding some itemlame pieces to make it work. my shocker is a good example, i couldnt get half the kills i get without a perfect inventory and a helm with 3x 1-60light/20 ave phys dmg jewels, with a matching armor. i lost a LOOOOOOOOOT more for years before it got those items, and its the only char of its kind on all realms.

goom is more about leaving an unviable build as is itemwise and exploiting game tactics and being patient to eventually get a kill on noobs. like his WSG exploiting builds that otherwise are in like 100 fg of gear.

but i've got a lot of respect for theory crafters, good duelers come and go. some stay, but overall theory crafters love the game more and stick around longer.

not that it has anything to do with PVP but goom is also the best classic rusher i've ever seen without MH. rivals many people with MH in speed in fact.



I love theorycrafting. No other game has been able to fill the hole d2 left since I quit. Feels good to be back playing again.
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Jul 13 2018 06:14pm
Vouch worrywart as best dueler/theory crafter to ever grace the forums
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Quote (Avenged123 @ Jul 13 2018 08:14pm)
Vouch worrywart as best dueler/theory crafter to ever grace the forums


I have never said I was good at d2 or lld.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2018 06:02pm)
do take note that this unnecessary assessment of goom's skill got started when i stated quite simply that goom's list of matchups for sumo dudu had bowa near the top for best matchup. which is still valid in my opinion. i can think of a few that might be higher but it's still up there. if you think that goom thinks his builds are legit viable he may have you on a string as tight as he had Break in the "what the best way to find a +3 defiance war scepter" thread. look that one up for some good belly chuckles if u can find it.


Whenever he tries to describe nl he talks about strategies and builds that nobody has done on nl since like 2005
I'm pretty sure he's been doing nothing but dying on ladder for the last 13 years

Most people would at least show improvement over time
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Jul 14 2018 03:17am
Quote (Worrywart @ Jul 14 2018 12:10am)
I have never said I was good at d2 or lld.



Whenever he tries to describe nl he talks about strategies and builds that nobody has done on nl since like 2005
I'm pretty sure he's been doing nothing but dying on ladder for the last 13 years

Most people would at least show improvement over time



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Jul 15 2018 06:58am
Quote (Worrywart @ Jul 14 2018 01:10am)
I have never said I was good at d2 or lld.



Whenever he tries to describe nl he talks about strategies and builds that nobody has done on nl since like 2005
I'm pretty sure he's been doing nothing but dying on ladder for the last 13 years

Most people would at least show improvement over time


that's a pretty fair assessment. i dont think he's done anything in 5 years except classic rush first week for fg then buy gear for a troll char to kill people in week 1-2 pubs with big gear advantage and big build disadvantage. its the only time those builds work in pubs. but beyond week 1-2 you can wsg to live but you're not gonna get many kills.
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Jul 18 2018 02:57pm
Quote (mandarkkk @ Jul 13 2018 02:51am)
I play ladder US EAST softcore.

Does it make sense to LLD on ladder? or is this a NL thing?

Are there any players who actually LLD? I know there are no pub games for sure like there would be years ago.

Also, from the point of view of someone who's never lld'd before can someone recommend a beginner friendly character that I could go with and enjoy?




dirt cheap level 18 kicker
extremely lame and cheap 30 hdin

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