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Jan 12 2016 10:54am
Quote (bonnerf2 @ Jan 12 2016 05:31am)
I think he mentioned it already.

Any alternate suggestions for psn facets? The mld EU rules I see mentioned they are banned.

Also is there any merit in an oath eth knout for the extra speed/range/lower reqs over a naga?


He didn't.
Just use standard rare or magic jewels, minus str mana and cold res (since this is never going to kill blizzers anyway)

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Jan 12 2016 11:09am
He did mention a harmony chu-ko-nu.

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If its "anything goes" and you dont need block or res, get a harmony cho-ku-no


Ty Dan. Wasn't sure if that RBF rule was just for 59s. And I just asked about the knout as I saw an old post for a mld 49 rabies that wore one.
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He did mention a harmony chu-ko-nu.



Ty Dan. Wasn't sure if that RBF rule was just for 59s. And I just asked about the knout as I saw an old post for a mld 49 rabies that wore one.


Looks like naga requires 1 more str than any other item in the build.
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Quote (Worrywart @ Jan 12 2016 03:16am)
I want to suggest putting a harmony Chu Ko Nu in stash.

Same attack speed as a cutlass iirc and vigor is good I hear


Its in stash, will expand on it in the guide however =

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1 Hand Weapon
6 sox war axe with x3 shael and x3 15ias 15 all res jewels (105 ias)
If its "anything goes" and you dont need block or res, get a harmony cho-ku-no



Quote (bonnerf2 @ Jan 12 2016 11:31am)
I think he mentioned it already.

Any alternate suggestions for psn facets? The mld EU rules I see mentioned they are banned.

Also is there any merit in an oath eth knout for the extra speed/range/lower reqs over a naga?

I banned the psn facets but allowed druids to go to 59, this way i can simply allow them on a 49 rabies.
I also have oath knout in stash and will have section in the guide for 1 point fury, inc alternative jewels then facets.

Quote (Twinsen @ Jan 12 2016 03:10pm)
Isn't a war schyte > war fork? 10% slower but same range and 1 extra socket + lower dex req. I guess the difference is irrelevant overall though
Anyway good guide, but you forgot the advanced strategy section?
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49 druids were allowed to use rbfs in the past iirc.
maybe that rule is for 59 shapers?

oath sc is probably > knout
idk i havent tried it out but dmg is already low with 1 pt fury plus no ed/max from gear/inv.

in terms of 2 handed weapons you want any -20speed weapon, range 5. i believe a brandistock is the lowest requirement version. note that you dont need to do physical damage, rabies is dealing all of your damage so the base item type quality is not a factor. I think i (thankfully) quoted the dex requirements of whitstans vs DOD. whitstans users would be using the lower requirements range 5 2 handers. Oath sc is range 2 vs range 3 on the knout, also the knout is slightly faster. will have their own section in the 1-point fury section of the guide. (along with jewels).

Quote (Scipi @ Jan 12 2016 03:27pm)
Great guide, I would suggest trying to get tele on maybe an amulet. Not the same as hld but a tele rabies is gfg 1v1 if played correctly
Also there problyisn't enough skills at 49 but being able to tele shock wave is effective and fun with rabies, if not maybe a pure tele shock wave would work better but for tvt only


While I like the concept of a tele amulet (and i have several!) the purpose here is to show the viability of a frw based rabies char. shockwave is more for LLD i believe and is a different build. while tele charges is a novelty i dont advocate building a shaper char around it.

Quote (Worrywart @ Jan 12 2016 05:54pm)
He didn't.
Just use standard rare or magic jewels, minus str mana and cold res (since this is never going to kill blizzers anyway)


In TvT it can kill blizzards, remember you can be 1 full screen out from where your opponent thinks you are due to the str bug. would strongly advocate maxed cold resistance to give oneself more time to attempt to hit opponent. time = chances & mistakes = possibility of hit. 1 hit will kill any sorc even when -75 plr and maxed res. i believe rabies will take about 1400~1500 life off a 75 res stacked res 75plr opponent. will test and post in final version. having said all that, AT ALL LEVELS, Sorc > Rabies.

Quote (Worrywart @ Jan 12 2016 06:15pm)
Looks like naga requires 1 more str than any other item in the build.

Correct, While one can use eth thundergods, the option of using a Naga means a plain TG's is the way to go if you are going 1-point fury. its a bit annoying really as you want to str bug your boots (95 str required). the best way to do that is to str bug your shield (DOD 91 str) (note shaft is 92) so if you have 90 str + 2str charm = 92+ x2 jewels with 9 dex = 110 str = tg's. what this means is that you either need to use a medium charm 5 str (no thanks) or all 3 jewels in DOD need to combine to give you at least 19 strength. (annoying, but thats what I did). (because we dont want to use the str from TG's at ALL, we want SOE 95% of the time.

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Werewolf Shape Druids have the best hit recovery frames in the game. 9 FHR on a werewolf reaches the same breakpoint as a nec with 86 FHR. awesome. No other build in the game can realistically attain 3 frame recovery (werewolves can do it with 86 FHR).
FHR Breakpoints are : 9, 20, 42, 86. 280
The frames that we will be focusing on are 42 FHR and 86 FHR

42FHR Setup's
Jalal Mane - 30FHR in all setup's. Did we mention its the only helmet for this build?
Shield Max DR Setup: Jalal (30FHR) + x3 Jewels with 7fhr in Dragon of Deflection = 21 FHR = 51 FHR + Shaft + String. x3 1Shape 12 fhr = 87 FHR
2 Hander Setup : Jalal (30FHR) + Skiller 12fhr (or a Craft OW FHR Belt with 12 FHR)

86FHR Max Block Max DR Setup
Jalal Mane (30FHR) + DOD (x3 Jewels 7fhr (21))+3 Shape 12 FHR Skillers
86FHR 2 Hand Setup (30DR)
Jalal Mane (30FHR) + Belt (24FHR) + x3 Shape 12 FHR Skillers
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Tele shock wave is hld I meant. A worse but tank version of a sin but played pro can work just like the tele rabies, and a tele rabies will give you a lot better of a chance vs casters and anything that can tele

Shoulda worded it better but I meant you should consider it in the stash to add versatility to the build, since there are matchups where frw is more effective than tele

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point well made sir
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IK Boots can be worn in combination with Thundergods << TvT Setup >> While Aldurs grant slightly more Life, and alot of fire res, we dont need all that fire res, and the Ar boost from IK is just great.
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Jan 12 2016 04:17pm
Quote (ferdia @ Jan 12 2016 06:07pm)
in terms of 2 handed weapons you want any -20speed weapon, range 5. i believe a brandistock is the lowest requirement version. note that you dont need to do physical damage, rabies is dealing all of your damage so the base item type quality is not a factor. I think i (thankfully) quoted the dex requirements of whitstans vs DOD. whitstans users would be using the lower requirements range 5 2 handers. Oath sc is range 2 vs range 3 on the knout, also the knout is slightly faster. will have their own section in the 1-point fury section of the guide. (along with jewels).


yes brandistock or war fork or war schyte all work to reach the bp.
all same range, 1 extra sock vs 10 ias. Well yes rabies does all dmg but what is the point of having fury then if it deals low dmg compared to rabies?
Maybe cus (No rabies vs java/nec/49 ghost)? But does that rule apply to 49 shapers or just 59?^^

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