a nice rare bow with 40 or fewer strength is very pro.

dont stat ur armor so u can switch based on opponent. have maxer pl8, shroud, and peace available.

This post was edited by mikeyjd on Aug 21 2010 03:37pm

I really haven't found a need for peace on the new setup. +1 skills increase just is not a good enough stat when I have to lose cbf, life, and rep life. Maxer would be nice but I am swapping out a maxer'd twitch (still enough stats on that.) It would just take sanders + 1 str sc to equip a new armor anyway.

forgot about rare bow though, Laines is awesome. Drew I'll work on strat later. I'm not gonna be back to my comp until tomorrow afternoon.





With build I have I get

20k psn jav
9.5k plague
~840 life, 350+ mana <-will get less mana and more damage, but currently using a few 3/mana charms. Will have them in stash for swap though.
~490 max dmg guided 9fpa. whatever crit lvl with rogues so more deadlystrike.
26 replife
105-115 frw depending on boot.

This post was edited by Cadagan on Aug 21 2010 05:46pm

Tons of different ways to do this. The main 2 seem to be:
1) higher poison dmg peace armor+ mostly charms (and maybe a maxer circ or Pcrown). Pros: More plauge, higher than usual life, can hit 400-500ga with ideal inven
2) More bow dmg ---> maxer plate + rouge or robo. Pro: singnificantly stronger GA (but ~2k less plauge), and has high throw dmg (fury or bolt). Con: Tends to be lower life/liferep

Using Spirit shround instead of peace isn't really a changed build in my opinion, just swap gear for plauge heavy type.



I personally prefer the bow centric type because its more versatile overall (still good dmg source if someone 75% plr's you...). I always went maxer plate, up'd rouges, 1zon/30/2circ, 30/10tri res boots, 4/30/dmg ceremonials, fhr/str/life belt/ soj's. I never tried a robo-bow though, so perhaps that is also a good way to go.... just you lose 1pt syngergy by skilling crit (or you don't bother with fury or jab). How much more GA gain with 10fpa robo bow vs up'd rouges? I know the 1synergy is about -2k poison jav dmg, -500plauge.

~8k plauge/ 650-700ga 9fpa, 750life/350mana, 120frw

my current ladder bow for psn zonka

Here's what I'd like it to look like, I'll need some stats/what you use for your setup. If it's close to someone else's I'll just modify theirs and add notes to both of yours.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2lsfkvo.jpg
Lvl 30 Plague/Bow
The plaguer can be a very very powerful character if built and used correctly, it can also be abused very easily by being massively defensive. This character also does especially well in tvt. The general skillset is plague and poison javelin, with 1 pt light bolt and/or guided arrow to finish the blow. Depending on how you like to play, you can gain more bow damage or make changes in frw and life. It all comes down to play style.

Higher bow damage setup:

Stats
Strength: Enough for gear (58 for rogues)
Dexterity: See below *
Vitality: Rest
Energy: None

*I like to have 109 dexterity, this allows the use of +4 ceremonial javelins for more damage, also allows me to use eth harpoons and gets more bow damage and still allows for high life

Skills
Crit strike and Jab depend on gear (crit) and choices (jab)
http://i34.tinypic.com/ddgif8.jpg

The following will be setups of multiple people and the stats they try to obtain.

Cadagan's balanced mix hybrid:

Stats aimed for:
105-130 frw
max res +
850+ life
22+ life rep
325+ mana
9.5k plague javelin
20k poison javelin
500+ 9fpa damage @ 62.2% double damage (crit+deadly)
cbf at all times

Gear

Helm choices:
-Pcrown with 24 maxer
-(looking for good zon circlet with 30frw and additional mods/2OS)

Armor choices:
-Spirit Shroud (I socketed with 6str/8dex/13max jewel) <-cbf,+1 skill, 10 rep life, 11 mdr. hard to beat. Requires crit to be skilled

Shield:
-I use 30/20 bone shield with life/mana/res/dtm 1OS. Eth'd for mana regen (2OS would be ideal ofcourse)

Javelins:
-4 jav/10-30 ias ceremonial javelins (ed is a huge plus on these)
-high damage eth/rep harpoons in stash

30 ias total is a good bp to have, could be gotten between javs and gloves. I do fine with 20 ias. This mainly comes down to LB throw speed and jab damage, since plague has a time delay.

Bow:
-60% Rogues bow with 17+ed/15 max

Rogues auto hits 9fpa so there is no need for more ias on gloves or anywhere else. 3 shael robo would require 10ias on gloves, but no ias on 2shael robo ashwood is required.

Gloves:
-+2 jav/0-10% ias gloves with stats/rep/res. Make choice depending on jav ias requirements, and bow you choose.

Belt:
-str/life/mana/trires belt (fhr not needed)
-string of ears (swap belt)


Boots:
-30frw/5dex/trires boots
-Sanders boots

both are great boots, I use the trires boots most of the time, sanders when res is not needed.

Rings:
-Sojs

I also prefer to have 2x swap rings for pure bow swap. 5 rep, 80+ mana ring and manald work great together. Better min/dex/life/rep/mana rings can be used

Amulet:
-+1 zon amulet with additonal stats (life/mana/res/rep/dr)

Inventory:
-enough 3/xx/3's to fit your needs (100-130 is good)
-3/xx/15's
-choice of 15/5's or 3/5's to fit res needs
-If mana isn't enough, choice of life/mana or frw/mana.


KnightXENO's Bowcentric type

Stats aimed for:
120 frw
max res +
~750 life
~350 mana
8k plague javelin
18k poison javelin
650-700 9fpa guided damage @ 62.2% double damage (crit+deadly)

Gear

Helm choices:
-+1 zon 30 frw circlet (look for one with life/mana/damage/2OS), same socket choices as pcrown

Armor choices:
-lifer armor with maxers

Shield:
-Rhyme

Javelins:
-4 jav/10-30 ias ceremonial javelins (ed is a huge plus on these)

Bow:
-60% Rogues bow with 17+ed/15 max

Gloves:
-+2 jav/0-10% ias gloves with stats/rep/res. Make choice depending on jav ias requirements, and bow you choose.

Belt:
-fhr/life/mana/trires belt
-string of ears (good swap)

Boots:
-30frw/10fhr/trires boots

Rings:
-Sojs

Amulet:
-+1 zon amulet with additonal stats (life/mana/res/rep/dr)

Inventory:
*enough 3/xx/3's to fit your needs (100-130 is good)
*3/xx/15's
*choice of 15/5's or 3/5's to fit res needs
*If mana isn't enough, choice of life/mana or frw/mana.

Lvl 30 Plague/Bow
The plaguer can be a very very powerful character if built and used correctly, it can also be abused very easily by being massively defensive. This character also does especially well in tvt. The general skillset is plague and poison javelin, with 1 pt light bolt and/or guided arrow to finish the blow. Depending on how you like to play, you can gain more bow damage or make changes in frw and life. It all comes down to play style.

Higher bow damage setup:

Stats
Strength: Enough for gear (58 for rogues)
Dexterity: See below *
Vitality: Rest
Energy: None

*I like to have 109 dexterity, this allows the use of +4 ceremonial javelins for more damage, also allows me to use eth harpoons and gets more bow damage and still allows for high life

Skills
Crit strike and Jab depend on gear (crit) and choices (jab)


The following will be setups of multiple people and the stats they try to obtain.

Basic Plaguer setup(cheapest):

This setup will get the most life, the easiest. And definitely the most rep life. These can be boring to use but are effective.

Gear

Helm choices:
-Pcrown with PSkull

Armor choices:
-Peace
-Spirit shroud with PSkull <-I prefer this. 15 more replife with repmana (Put 1 pt in crit)

Shield:
-Rhyme Bone/Grim Shield

Javelins:
-4 jav/ias matr javs

Bow:
-60% Up'd Rogues bow with nef

Gloves:
-+2 jav/0-10% ias gloves with stats/rep/res. Make choice depending on jav ias requirements, and bow you choose.

Belt:
-string of ears (swap belt)


Boots:
-Sanders boots

Rings:
-Sojs
-Manalds for rep rep.

Amulet:
-+1 zon amulet with additonal stats (life/mana/res/rep/dr)

Inventory:
-Life/res and life/mana charms. These can even be 15life/single res to get you up, and can be a lot cheaper than 15/5's.

Cadagan's balanced mix hybrid:

Stats aimed for:
105-130 frw
max res +
850+ life
22+ life rep
325+ mana
9.5k plague javelin
20k poison javelin
500+ 9fpa damage @ 62.2% double damage (crit+deadly)
cbf at all times

Gear

Helm choices:
-Pcrown with 24 maxer
-(looking for good zon circlet with 30frw and additional mods/2OS)

Armor choices:
-Spirit Shroud (I socketed with 6str/8dex/13max jewel) <-cbf,+1 skill, 10 rep life, 11 mdr. hard to beat. Requires crit to be skilled

Shield:
-I use 30/20 bone shield with life/mana/res/dtm 1OS. Eth'd for mana regen (2OS would be ideal ofcourse)

Javelins:
-4 jav/10-30 ias ceremonial javelins (ed is a huge plus on these)
-high damage eth/rep harpoons in stash

30 ias total is a good bp to have, could be gotten between javs and gloves. I do fine with 20 ias. This mainly comes down to LB throw speed and jab damage, since plague has a time delay.

Bow:
-60% Up'd Rogues bow with 17+ed/15 max

Rogues auto hits 9fpa so there is no need for more ias on gloves or anywhere else. 3 shael robo would require 10ias on gloves, but no ias on 2shael robo ashwood is required.

Gloves:
-+2 jav/0-10% ias gloves with stats/rep/res. Make choice depending on jav ias requirements, and bow you choose.

Belt:
-str/life/mana/trires belt (fhr not needed)
-string of ears (swap belt)


Boots:
-30frw/5dex/trires boots
-Sanders boots

both are great boots, I use the trires boots most of the time, sanders when res is not needed.

Rings:
-Sojs

I also prefer to have 2x swap rings for pure bow swap. 5 rep, 80+ mana ring and manald work great together. Better min/dex/life/rep/mana rings can be used

Amulet:
-+1 zon amulet with additonal stats (life/mana/res/rep/dr)

Inventory:
-enough 3/xx/3's to fit your needs (100-130 is good)
-3/xx/15's
-choice of 15/5's or 3/5's to fit res needs
-If mana isn't enough, choice of life/mana or frw/mana.


KnightXENO and ClanBK's Bowcentric type

Stats aimed for:
120 frw
max res +
~750 life
~350 mana
8k plague javelin
18k poison javelin
650-700 9fpa guided damage @ 62.2% double damage (crit+deadly)

Gear

Helm choices:
-+1 zon 30 frw circlet (look for one with life/mana/damage/2OS), same socket choices as pcrown

Armor choices:
-lifer armor with maxers (Put 1 pt in crit)

Shield:
-Rhyme

Javelins:
-4 jav/10-30 ias ceremonial javelins (ed is a huge plus on these)

Bow:
-60% Up'd Rogues bow with 17+ed/15 max (KnightXeno's preference) - 9fpa
-40 ias +3 robo ashwood (ClanBK's preference) - 10fpa

Gloves:
-+2 jav/0-10% ias gloves with stats/rep/res. Make choice depending on jav ias requirements, and bow you choose.

Belt:
-fhr/life/mana/trires belt
-string of ears (good swap)

Boots:
-30frw/10fhr/trires boots

Rings:
-Sojs

Amulet:
-+1 zon amulet with additonal stats (life/mana/res/rep/dr)

Inventory:
*enough 3/xx/3's to fit your needs (100-130 is good)
*3/xx/15's
*choice of 15/5's or 3/5's to fit res needs
*If mana isn't enough, choice of life/mana or frw/mana.


Honorable Mentions:

Rare bows:
Finding a rare bow can be very difficult, but can definitely be better than Rogues or Robo. The first is a damage heavy 9fpa owned by yeawhatup on East NL.

The second helps with more life by reducing the requirements, owned by MikeyJD on East Ladder


Bow Guides
IAmAsylum has an excellent bowa guide that may help someone to understand what they need to do to their plaguer to make it more balanced toward the bowa side, rather than taking info from his guide, here it is: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32629468&f=143

As in most LLD characters, it's about building the character toward your play style, so some experimenting may be in order for your plaguer to be how you want it to be.

i have a similar razor bow on ladder but its only 1 socket

edit:



This post was edited by ClanBK on Aug 31 2010 02:01pm

owch that blows!! IMO rogues > that since only 1OS

that's kind of gross tbh

5 socket ashwood with 20/15 max and 2x 20/-15's is better tbh

2 more bow skills also means less mana and 10% more ga damage (that gets multiplied off all max gear)

This post was edited by IAmAsylum on Aug 31 2010 02:44pm

alana 1
that is all