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May 14 2010 04:47pm
Quote (Weaj @ May 15 2010 11:43am)
When using cleg's sword, you're losing a lot of base damage on the weapon and lowering your total damage, honor easily beats out a clegs sword even though it has less ds.


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May 14 2010 04:50pm
another thought on defiance zealer, as you are using defiance your dmg isnt going to be too high, even with godlike gear (clearly, when compared to other builds assuming they had godlike gear)
playing against sorcs and other element based chars, you will be having trouble ( well, ok defiance zealer is not meant for dueling them anyways.. you have different categories in tournaments etc.) but still, you would like to try at least dueling against themm would it be BM to sacrifice 3 skill points
by using 1 point for each element resist? (and/or put even 1 point to salvation for some reason after that lol) if i remember correctly single resist aura's also increase your MAX / element resist.
Though, like i said you would be SACRIFICING dmg over DEFENSE (well, element defense lol). just a thougth.. been long time iv played with paladin :D
but i sure would love to make defiance zealer again.
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May 14 2010 04:55pm
you should mention that concentration prevents interrupting. but idk if zeal is interruptable

what about mixing hammerdin with zealer? using conc and hammer and enough skills in zeal for it? i guess it'd be considered bm and horribad but idk, maybe worth a try if u get a 3 zeal 3 conc 3 bh scepter (gl)
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May 14 2010 04:56pm
Quote (heprea @ May 14 2010 06:50pm)
another thought on defiance zealer, as you are using defiance your dmg isnt going to be too high, even with godlike gear (clearly, when compared to other builds assuming they had godlike gear)
playing against sorcs and other element based chars, you will be having trouble ( well, ok defiance zealer is not meant for dueling them anyways.. you have different categories in tournaments etc.) but still, you would like to try at least dueling against themm would it be BM to sacrifice 3 skill points
by using 1 point for each element resist? (and/or put even 1 point to salvation for some reason after that lol) if i remember correctly single resist aura's also increase your MAX / element resist.
Though, like i said you would be SACRIFICING dmg over DEFENSE (well, element defense lol). just a thougth.. been long time iv played with paladin :D
but i sure would love to make defiance zealer again.


I suppose you could, and then you might as well skill charge too, a defeince zealot still wouldn't have much of a chance against those types of characters.

Another thing that one could do with a fanaticism build is to build it similarly like a defiance build to have a moderate amount of defense, possibly around 5k or so if switching an ornate and/or grim helm as secondary items.

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you should mention that concentration prevents interrupting. but idk if zeal is interruptable

what about mixing hammerdin with zealer? using conc and hammer and enough skills in zeal for it? i guess it'd be considered bm and horribad but idk, maybe worth a try if u get a 3 zeal 3 conc 3 bh scepter (gl)


zeal can be interrupted on the first few frames before the attack can follow through on the first swing, the 20% uninterruptible ability on concentration can prevent that from happening, I suppose I should mention that, thanks.

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May 14 2010 05:04pm
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I suppose you could, and then you might as well skill charge too, a defeince zealot still wouldn't have much of a chance against those types of characters.

Another thing that one could do with a fanaticism build is to build it similarly like a defiance build to have a moderate amount of defense, possibly around 5k or so if switching an ornate and/or grim helm as secondary items.


maybe, didnt even bother to check how much 1lvl(+x skills from gear) single res aura gives(shame on me). I have checked that now, 3lvl on aura (lets say +2 from gear) it would give you 76 on single res + 3max res, this way you would have pretty much always that 76% res at least. assuming you arent getting any resits from your gear.
and yeah, 1 point in charge would be needed indeed. so, thats 4 points sacrificed :S

Also, about fana pala with high def gear, would it be possible with this skill setup to maybe to max holy shield? maxed holy shield would err 9lvl? thats 145% ed and add pre-buff gear to that, and its even more. :o
would make that 5k even higher :p (unless this is what you meant already lol)
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May 14 2010 05:23pm
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maybe, didnt even bother to check how much 1lvl(+x skills from gear) single res aura gives(shame on me). I have checked that now, 3lvl on aura (lets say +2 from gear) it would give you 76 on single res + 3max res, this way you would have pretty much always that 76% res at least. assuming you arent getting any resits from your gear.
and yeah, 1 point in charge would be needed indeed. so, thats 4 points sacrificed :S

Also, about fana pala with high def gear, would it be possible with this skill setup to maybe to max holy shield? maxed holy shield would err 9lvl? thats 145% ed and add pre-buff gear to that, and its even more. :o
would make that 5k even higher :p (unless this is what you meant already lol)


to max hs is 7 skills and 9skills with prereqs. Yes this could work as well, just like i've said in the guide, you can really see how a zealot can be changed depending on the preference of the player. Since there are many ways it can be built, I figured making a guide on at least a few of the main builds could give an idea for what someone could make a zealot into.
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May 14 2010 05:24pm
Quote (heprea @ May 14 2010 04:04pm)
maybe, didnt even bother to check how much 1lvl(+x skills from gear) single res aura gives(shame on me). I have checked that now, 3lvl on aura (lets say +2 from gear) it would give you 76 on single res + 3max res, this way you would have pretty much always that 76% res at least. assuming you arent getting any resits from your gear.
and yeah, 1 point in charge would be needed indeed. so, thats 4 points sacrificed :S

Also, about fana pala with high def gear, would it be possible with this skill setup to maybe to max holy shield? maxed holy shield would err 9lvl? thats 145% ed and add pre-buff gear to that, and its even more. :o
would make that 5k even higher :p (unless this is what you meant already lol)


Waste of skills to max hs imo :/
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May 14 2010 05:41pm
Quote (Dwerfs @ May 14 2010 10:55pm)
you should mention that concentration prevents interrupting. but idk if zeal is interruptable

what about mixing hammerdin with zealer? using conc and hammer and enough skills in zeal for it? i guess it'd be considered bm and horribad but idk, maybe worth a try if u get a 3 zeal 3 conc 3 bh scepter (gl)


lol wjot
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May 14 2010 05:50pm
Quote (exxo @ May 15 2010 12:41am)
lol wjot


theorycrafting as it's finest

realized it would have horribad fcr bp and probably do more dmg with zeal, but idk.

would have to try @sp wat dmg it reaches
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May 14 2010 05:54pm
simple, easy to understand. very nice guide from the best zealer lld has seen.
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