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Feb 11 2010 01:31pm
Quote (ClanBK @ Feb 11 2010 11:28am)
possibly, but I'm not sure they do much damage at all, and if neither of your attacks (shockwave, wolves) are doing damage its kind of pointless

i have no idea how much damage dire wolves can put out, i'd have to look it up. and that's not gonna happen

Quote (MarkhorCQC @ Feb 11 2010 11:28am)
Use reg wolves 5x>3x?

i'd say clanbk's point answers that question
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Feb 11 2010 01:37pm
Quote (ClanBK @ Feb 11 2010 02:25pm)
there's no point in having dire wolves on your helm, unless you'd have them out to do damage for whatever reason


I use them for damage. With HoW and a tele stick on a moving target, they can deal damage very quickly. Also, three wolves between yourself and a charger/any paladin is great. It blocks them from hitting you and then they get clobbered by wolves, which do decent dmg (see below)

Quote (waramp @ Feb 11 2010 02:26pm)
streetlight manifesto is excellent.

this build could also be decent.  a few years ago i had a 2 summon, 30 frw, 20 fcr, 50-ish life, 60-ish mana circlet.  NO idea where it is now.  would you recommend something like that for this build?


It would be nice to have that as a swap. A drop from 428-502 dmg, to 279-344 would happen though. Maybe if you were planning on using wolves and didn't have a +3 wolves pelt in the first place.


However a 2/3 pelt for dire wolves would go from:
769 life per wolf
198-210 dmg per wolf
with HoW(167%) =529-561 dmg per wolf
to
855 life
225-242 dmg per wolf = 601 - 646 dmg per wolf


Also. Not sure if it's just single player. But that part about hard points is incorrect. I just did a hero-editor test of a 2/3 grizzly/3 dire pelt and a 2/3 grizzly pelt
went from 4387 life to 4875 life bear... I was under the same impression you were about hard points only.

Quote (MarkhorCQC @ Feb 11 2010 02:28pm)
Use reg wolves 5x>3x?


That's what I tested with my last build. Maxing Spirit wolves. Without a 2/3 spirit pelt, they did as much as my dire wolves do now, and 5 of them. And they added more ar. But they were fragile. It's so much better to have higher life summons.

This post was edited by Cadagan on Feb 11 2010 01:42pm
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Feb 11 2010 02:25pm
Quote (MarkhorCQC @ Feb 11 2010 02:26pm)
This, only hard points add to synergies.


not for druid summons

edit: i prefer spirit wolf instead of dire wolf since you can stun-lock casters.

This post was edited by Mr_Puddles on Feb 11 2010 02:40pm
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Feb 11 2010 02:33pm
Very thorough guide, Zach.

Nice one
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Feb 11 2010 02:34pm
nn clones of jon
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Feb 11 2010 06:01pm
Quote (ibzack @ Feb 11 2010 03:34pm)
nn clones of jon


vouch



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Feb 11 2010 06:16pm
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Feb 11 2010 06:19pm
Wow bad pelt and ammy, gtfo n4p. Where is +nado?
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Feb 11 2010 06:24pm
vouch this lol - char was a lot of fun to duel and if you aren't careful with your clicks it really is possible to suicide quite easily on that damned bear
awesome : )
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Feb 11 2010 06:43pm
Quote (ibzack @ Feb 11 2010 03:34pm)
nn clones of jon


I had never even heard of this build when I made it. Didn't know someone else had one at the time, and have seen no others on ladder. Also based on the s/s's he posted up, he also uses a different setup. Not clone.
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