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Jan 18 2009 06:57pm
Quote (Walstreet @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 12:23am)
i already somewhat tested this

1 clegs zealer and 1 3conc/3zeal zealer
all with same gear

was 50-50
however, the ds may help the scepter one, i never tested that


u cant test by duels.

it has to be math since its so random with duels at this lvl.
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Jan 18 2009 06:58pm
if its so random why would it matter either way :/
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Get a 65 ed shield before sticking in 20 maxers imo
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Jan 18 2009 07:11pm
scepter no ds:
114-1576

scepter 10% ds helm:
155-1479

clegs:
47-1587

average damages with ds calculated in

scepter has better min, 11 less max
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Quote (IAmAsylum @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 01:11am)
scepter no ds:
114-1576

scepter 10% ds helm:
155-1479

clegs:
47-1587

average damages with ds calculated in

scepter has better min, 11 less max


doesnt really make sense to me since my scepter is obviously 144-1576

i got another calc which i know is wrong... its looking like the scepter is better tho and thats what i thought
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Jan 18 2009 08:04pm
1) this can help
http://www.baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/ppr/damage_calc.html


well we cant consider complete perfection, we have to make some assumptions, but lets still aim high

assume
1) angelics trio to make ar calcs/stats simplier, NO RARE RING
2)+20 jewels, and 20%+15's in a 15% sup wc 5os 3zeal/3conc
3) full setup 6/20ar/xx gc's + 12ar/15life sc's
4) 29skill pnts
4) your setup, 65strength + 60dex

keep in mind setups for ar boosting ~752base (-dex -level)

setup Alpha) (MIGHT boosting 3zeal 3might ws this might be impossible bc you might not be able to get +might on 5os scepters due to Ilvl restrictions, but i forget)
1zeal(3) + 18sac 40%ar = 216%
10+3might = 160%
366%skill ed

with the wc at 115% +75
60 helm
65%ed 120ar 80shield
20 twitch

this is 125-2556, or 1347 avg (+40%ar)
swap 60max helm for 10%ds +20 helm = 1351 (+40%ar)



setupB)
7zeal(+3) + 18sac 100%ar =252%
1might, 2ba (extra 10% passive ar)
1 conc(+3) = 105%
307%skill ed

with the wc at 115% +75 3zeal/3conc
60 helm
65%ed 120ar 80shield
20 twitch

this is 112-2314, or 1213 avg (+110%ar)
swap 60max helm for 10%ds +20 helm = 1217 (+110%ar)

setupC)
4zeal + 18sac 40%ar = 216%
7might = 100%
316%skill ed

with the clegs +20 +30%ar
60 helm
65%ed 120ar 80shield
20 twitch

this is 16-1960 or 1482 avg (+70%ar)
swap 60max helm for 10%ds +20 helm = 1407 (+70%ar)

this exchange shows that with more dmg, the effective to final avg dmg of 50%ds is superior (+22% effective dmg over the WC)...when going full dmg setups with 10 gc's
BUT since your build will suffer at minimum 250 life from the gc's this is approx 1/4 upto 1/3 of an 18 zealots life


NOW 40 X x/15 life sc's

setup cool.gif (+110%ar)
784
744 with+20 10%ds helm

setupC) (+70%ar)
827
708 with+20 10%ds helm

this exchange still show that the effective to final avg dmg of 50%ds clegs is superior (+5% effective dmg over the WC) at a cost of a 40%ar boost
As the +dmg lowers (meaning u only have +15's) the effective dmg of the clegs would become inferior.


PS double check math can have errors, thought i was very careful.


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Jan 18 2009 08:12pm
meh i dont get it... i was using that site calc. and hte numbers are all off.. they dont seem to even approach urs.. and im out of time for the hight.. ill have to get back to this later
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Jan 18 2009 08:12pm
Quote (Jerkazoid @ Sun, Jan 18 2009, 06:04pm)
1) this can help
http://www.baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/ppr/damage_calc.html


well we cant consider complete perfection, we have to make some assumptions, but lets still aim high

assume
1) angelics trio to make ar calcs/stats simplier, NO RARE RING
2)+20 jewels, and 20%+15's in a 15% sup wc 5os 3zeal/3conc
3) full setup 6/20ar/xx gc's + 12ar/15life sc's
4) 29skill pnts
4) your setup, 65strength + 60dex

keep in mind setups for ar boosting ~752base (-dex -level)

setup Alpha) (MIGHT boosting 3zeal 3might ws this might be impossible bc you might not be able to get +might on 5os scepters due to Ilvl restrictions, but i forget)
1zeal(3) + 18sac 40%ar = 216%
10+3might = 160%
366%skill ed

with the wc at 115% +75
60 helm
65%ed 120ar 80shield
20 twitch

this is 125-2556, or 1347 avg (+40%ar)
swap 60max helm for 10%ds +20 helm = 1351 (+40%ar)



setupB)
7zeal(+3) + 18sac 100%ar =252%
1might, 2ba (extra 10% passive ar)
1 conc(+3) = 105%
307%skill ed

with the wc at 115% +75 3zeal/3conc
60 helm
65%ed 120ar 80shield
20 twitch

this is 112-2314, or 1213 avg (+110%ar)
swap 60max helm for 10%ds +20 helm = 1217 (+110%ar)

setupC)
4zeal + 18sac 40%ar = 216%
7might = 100%
316%skill ed

with the clegs +20 +30%ar
60 helm
65%ed 120ar 80shield
20 twitch

this is 16-1960 or 1482 avg (+70%ar)
swap 60max helm for 10%ds +20 helm = 1407 (+70%ar)

this exchange shows that with more dmg, the effective to final avg dmg of 50%ds is superior (+22% effective dmg over the WC)...when going full dmg setups with 10 gc's
BUT since your build will suffer at minimum 250 life from the gc's this is approx 1/4 upto 1/3 of an 18 zealots life


NOW 40 X x/15 life sc's

setup cool.gif (+110%ar)
784
744 with+20 10%ds helm

setupC) (+70%ar)
827
708 with+20 10%ds helm

this exchange still show that the effective to final avg dmg of 50%ds clegs is superior (+5% effective dmg over the WC) at a cost of a 40%ar boost
As the +dmg lowers (meaning u only have +15's) the effective dmg of the clegs would become inferior.


PS double check math can have errors, thought i was very careful.


tl;dr. summary please?
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Jan 18 2009 08:16pm
Quote (Jerkazoid @ Mon, Jan 19 2009, 02:12am)
meh i dont get it... i was using that site calc. and hte numbers are all off.. they dont seem to even approach urs.. and im out of time for the hight.. ill have to get back to this later


yes... yes you will...

from my calculations...

clegs dmg is 60-1605

war scepter is 144-1576

so the ws is actually slightly better
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Jan 18 2009 08:26pm
Quote (starcreaft453 @ Sun, Jan 18 2009, 07:57pm)
doesnt really make sense to me since my scepter is obviously 144-1576

i got another calc which i know is wrong... its looking like the scepter is better tho and thats what i thought


that makes it make sense lol, no ds means you do what's on screen average ofc

this is with gear you have now, didn't calc any gcs
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