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Jul 12 2013 04:41pm
Wsup fellas?

SO I am deciding to upgrade some internals for my 4 banger...(My mechanic uncle just says to get myself a nice big v8 but I like Hondamus Prime)

SO #1 molestation of Hondamus Prime is going to be probably a switch from stock to a TSX Intake Manifold...my question is...
After this swap...is there any point of getting an aftermarket CAI and aftermarket headers? If so will improvement definitely be there?

I hear many people telling me to upgrade "cams"...meaning my camshafts right? What are the exact components that I need to buy besides the camshaft(s) itself?
:edit What are some things I should stay away from regarding camshafts? (Like how do I know if it's fake or a horrible brand?)

What other internal upgrades do you all recommend?

What's up with injectors?

Is it true if I buy QUALITY spark plugs that I will see Significant improvement?


Thanks in advance guys!
A lot of you have helped me so much in the past regarding my car and just noob questions regarding cars...So I want to thank you all.

This post was edited by chewbacha on Jul 12 2013 04:42pm
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Jul 12 2013 04:49pm
Internal upgrades will depend on your goals, an NA build will need different cam profiles than a future turbo/sc build. And to get the most out of that you will either need to lower compression (boosted applications) or increase compression (NA build). Both will require engine management, and any mildly aggressive cams + will need stronger valve springs and retainers to prevent float. A lot of money is involved if you want to do it right....
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Decom I see your name on the bottom and I have butterflies in my stomach. :love:
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Quote (Decom @ Jul 12 2013 03:49pm)
Internal upgrades will depend on your goals, an NA build will need different cam profiles than a future turbo/sc build. And to get the most out of  that you will either need to lower compression (boosted applications) or increase compression (NA build). Both will require engine management, and any mildly aggressive cams + will need stronger valve springs and retainers to prevent float. A lot of money is involved if you want to do it right....



So I should upgrade cams later then...or maybe not at all..
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Jul 12 2013 06:41pm
Depends on how much money you have, if the engine is out its best to do as much as you can while its apart. That way you can save not having to pull it again in the future.
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Jul 12 2013 07:10pm
Quote (Decom @ Jul 12 2013 05:41pm)
Depends on how much money you have, if the engine is out its best to do as much as you can while its apart. That way you can save not having to pull it again in the future.


Roger that.
I think I should lean to stock for my Honda and maybe pick up something with real potential...like a Nissan Sentra. :rofl:

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engine wise that is!

This post was edited by chewbacha on Jul 12 2013 07:18pm
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Jul 12 2013 07:37pm
Quote (chewbacha @ Jul 12 2013 08:10pm)
Roger that.
I think I should lean to stock for my Honda and maybe pick up something with real potential...like a Nissan Sentra.  :rofl:

:edit

engine wise that is!


Well a sentra is iight since you will be tearing the motor apart and replacing the trash head gasket
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Jul 12 2013 08:58pm
Like decom said, making lots of power NA is going to take a lot of money.

1: CAI's power gains are very little, aftermarket headers will again, be very little. CAI + headers + full exhaust will get you around 10-15 hp at best.

2: Again, like decom said, you're going to need to do valves/springs/retainers if you're going with more aggressive cams, this will also allow you to raise the RPM where you hit your rev limiter.

Stick to brand name cams and you should be okay, Brian Crower and Toda Racing are some of the more popular ones.

3: Head work = power, Bottom end work = reliability

You wanna go full race car? Do valves/springs/retainers, have the head ported and polished, forged pistons/conrods/crankshaft.

4: Injectors obviously inject fuel into the combustion chamber. In order to make power, you need fuel.

The more power you're making, the more fuel you're going to need, the bigger injectors you're going to need.

As a point of reference, I'm using 1000cc injectors for ~700 horsepower.

5: You won't see any ACTUAL power gains from going to a better quality spark plug. You're just getting back the power you've lost from having shitty ignition.

Get the right plug, with the right temperature rating for your car and you should be fine. Don't fall for the gimmicky plugs with more than one lateral electrode either, shit doesn't do anything.


BE WARNED, building an NA motor is expensive as fuck and not very cost effective.
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Like decom said, making lots of power NA is going to take a lot of money.

1: CAI's power gains are very little, aftermarket headers will again, be very little. CAI + headers + full exhaust will get you around 10-15 hp at best.

2: Again, like decom said, you're going to need to do valves/springs/retainers if you're going with more aggressive cams, this will also allow you to raise the RPM where you hit your rev limiter.

Stick to brand name cams and you should be okay, Brian Crower and Toda Racing are some of the more popular ones.

3: Head work = power, Bottom end work = reliability

You wanna go full race car? Do valves/springs/retainers, have the head ported and polished, forged pistons/conrods/crankshaft.

4: Injectors obviously inject fuel into the combustion chamber. In order to make power, you need fuel.

The more power you're making, the more fuel you're going to need, the bigger injectors you're going to need.

As a point of reference, I'm using 1000cc injectors for ~700 horsepower.

5: You won't see any ACTUAL power gains from going to a better quality spark plug. You're just getting back the power you've lost from having shitty ignition.

Get the right plug, with the right temperature rating for your car and you should be fine. Don't fall for the gimmicky plugs with more than one lateral electrode either, shit doesn't do anything.


BE WARNED, building an NA motor is expensive as fuck and not very cost effective.



Thank you Mr. Gosu.

I will definitely keep all this in mind. My realistic goals as of now have just changed to intake/exhaust/headers/sway bars/coilovers/rims/ along with a few aesthetic changes...


I was told by another Uncle that "HORSEPOWER AIN'T CHEAP" and that if you wanna go fast you need to stop fast too...he says I should just buy an M3 or M5

:edit

I just ordered 39 different stickers claiming additional gains of 3-6hp each and 5-10hp if placed in proper places.

:edit again


Is a throttle body spacer worth the money?

This post was edited by chewbacha on Jul 16 2013 09:29am
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