lol

Ummm.... are we assuming anyone actually cares/follows cars that have 2.0L engines.... cuz I can't name a single one.

No, I’m assuming people here have pretty good general knowledge, which is mostly true.

How did you not catch my drift throughout this thread? If engine architecture is the same, a change in displacement doesn't affect weight much. A 5.7L LS1 and a 7.0L LS7 are nearly identical weight.





Here is my last attempt.

You have admitted it's underpowered
You have admitted the main stream wants more power
Does $25k vs $27k really matter? That is less than $40/mo more. That's all they would need to add the existing turbo system to the FA20. If you have to have an N/A engine dump the boat anchor boxer engine and put an aluminum V6 in it. Prior the addition of direct injection GM's V6s made 305-320hp and weighed in under 400lbs dressed. That's about the same as the FA20.

You've admitted yourself it would be more successful.

It wouldn't remove it from it's niche unless the niche you are talking about is slow ass turdmobiles.

Why the resistance? More power won't ruin the car and contrary to what you seem to believe, making 300hp isn't hard or expensive anymore. If it is, Toyota failed.


This post was edited by FMX_89 on Nov 10 2017 07:59am

1. I didn't admit it was underpowered, read again.

2. Yes, I agree, but that's because the main stream just wants to see a high HP amount regardless of what the car offers. That's why this is a niche car, it's small, lightweight and a lot of people don't care about that. you take 2.0T Camaro (for example) and say well, it has more HP than a BRZ, but that's because it NEEDS it because it weighs significantly more. And again, you're not in a small car.

3. price points are always important, yes. I said I didn't know what it would cost to add a FI system to the BRZ a manufacturers level. They claim they don't want FI. I don't know why, I don't know the reasoning. I could list many reasons. If they added FI, kept similar weight, and kept the limited trim under 30k, I would welcome that, and so would everyone.

4. Again, the car that you desire is not being offered any manufacturer at this price point. It's not toyotas fault, it's everyone's fault.

It's continuously apparent that all you care about is the #HP.


One thing we can both agree on, we can look forward to whatever they decide to go for generation 2. And I do hope, for the continued life of the car, they please more power hungry people.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Nov 10 2017 08:50am

Wow. I don't care about hp. I want the car to feel athletic. If you can stab the gas an nothing happens it's not fun because you don't have to drive it! It's point and shoot. I wouldn't expect you to understand since you bought an auto!

No one else offers it because they have other cars that are doing well. Toyota already HAS the car. By simply offering it with more power they would sell more of them!

The car is athletic......Sounds like you haven't spent any time in one.

The paddleshifters, which i use 99% of the time, work extremely well and I can shuffle through gears very easily and they are very responsive. this isn't a mt/at argument and don't make it one.

If you time your shifts well, the car does quite well.

Again ill go back and say that there's more to a car than how fast it goes, you just don't seem to agree. Again, my mom's 4xx camaro gave me zero satisfaction even at a strong throttle. We just don't like the same things.

The bold is not my point. The point is, if what you want was easy to do, other manufacturers would have done it by now. The "other" cars aren't even remotely similar to the brz.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Nov 10 2017 10:12am

GM did offer a lightweight 2 seat car with near 300hp but it was not well received by people that buy GM products.

There isn't enough of a market for their to be competition so stop talking about other manufacturers. Toyobaru already h the car and the market. If they offer more power they would EXPAND their market. It would be nothing but a positive.


I have driven a manual BRZ and I have owned other paddle shift traditional automatics.

I road race a low powered red manual car

Your opinion is your opinion but man, it really makes it look like you don't have a clue when it comes to performance cars. Get off the GT86 forum and go to a driving experience somewhere. The auto version of that car is for fangirls. The whole hype before it came out was small 2 seat manual RWD (like an S2000.)

Who would care about an auto S2k? No one.



Edit: it feels athletic because they put shit tires on it so you can experience wheel spin with 200hp. Now we have officially come full circle.

This post was edited by FMX_89 on Nov 10 2017 10:35am

Can you please mention this GM car you’re referring to? solstice/sky?

Stop being so hung up on tires. If you don’t like them, take them off and sell them. They are a repacemabke item, you’ll replace them eventually anyways. Common sense and not difficult.

I hate to say it, and you know it’s true, and while I’m not at all, in any means shape or form, bashing a manual transmission, you know that MT is on its way out (of course it will take a long time). Higher priced cars already are faster with AT. But we both know there’s more control with the MT.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Nov 10 2017 10:53am