Herein lies the problem. You act like making 300hp is hard. For them it's just a decision. Their cost per unit to give it an extra 80-100hp would be 10%, maybe less. It's not an unobtainable thing.

The chevy traverse has 301hp and 272tq at around that same price. It physically requires more material to produce.

By adding an optional engine or package at that power level with the proper marketing they would have opened themselves up to an entirely different audience that apparently makes up the majority according to the sales numbers. It wouldn't alienate anybody. If you want the 200hp automatic version it would still be available.

then again, that actually requires some kind of intelligence, but instead what we have are a bunch of knuckle dragging CEOs and Marketers.

It isn't just them. So few companies are hitting home runs anymore... the bean counters have too much control. It's sad.

you would figure in a consumer driven market, companies would actually give the consumer what they want.

I'm asking about what would be acceptable in general. 200 hp is a figure that's relevant to weight and size, remember that.....

The chevy traverse costs $4k more and is 2000 lbs heavier....... Are you serious right now?...... Of course they would throw In a large engine to haul it's extremely heavy ass.


Are you guys forgetting hp to weight figures?.....a brz weighs less than 2800 lbs, it doesn't require an enormous engine to make it haul.

For the comments about the company, it's too early for a second generation according to their market cycles for small volume cars. They confirmed a second generation, but I would guess it would be a 2017 or 2018 model.

You guys still didn't answer the question.

how much hp/torque would be acceptable for a NEW, sub 2800 lb, NA car for $26,000?

From factory, using the same engine, they could release it with an additional 20-30hp. A 2.5l engine could net 250/270. Both of these options could be produced without a significant price or weight increase.

Jesus christ, you just don't get it dude. You are looking at this in a very narrow perspective. If you want the lightest/fastest car for the money go buy a smart car diablo and look like a douche.

I personally don't give a shit what the car weighs, yes it will be a factor (definitely not a deciding factor), but I generally look at cars within a price range to start. When I was looking at the mustang guess what else was right in my price range? brfuckingz. The reason it wasn't even on the drawing board for me is because of the lack of power output, yes you are going to argue OMFG THE WEIGHT THO, yes you've beaten this horse to death, you can give that same chasis 25 more horsepower but its not going to drastically improve how the car performs. It's still going to get buses pulled on it by a honda civic, because LACK OF POWER WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE IS ARGUING - WE DON'T CARE THAT IT IS LIGHTWEIGHT.

If it weighed like 3000 pounds and had 300-330 horsepower and was priced a few grand more I personally think it would of sold a lot better.

This post was edited by Epicexecution on Feb 27 2015 04:54am

You. Clearly don't understand the concept of this Boortz car. I am asking what would be an acceptable amount of horsepower given the specifications of the car to market this car successfully from the factory.
I don't care what your personal taste in cars is, but there are plenty of car enthusiasts who truly believe a lighter car is better driving. I don't know how you can argue that driving and overweight car is more fun than a lightweight car if horsepower figures were relevant to the car size and performednearly the same.


Good morning, you are up early princess

lol you're a joke

You're not being realistic and answering the simple question. You are dodging everything I am saying and only using your personal opinion to make your argument.

Sloppy spelling is because I was using talk to text/type.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Feb 27 2015 05:37am