I dont have experience with GTI dual clutch trans. I have only driven a handfull and never really cared for that car thru out my life of car ownership. Thats not to say it bad, I just dont have the seat experience.

What I do have, on the other hand is a shit ton of 911 6mt and dual clutch experience. from personal experience the dual clutch in a P car is trash (outside of the 991). To confirm this, I have friends that own 911 Turbo, non turbo and other P cars that have repeatedly told me that their P car is for meets and once or a few times a month car with the main reason that thier M3 outshines the Porsche in the trans department. this is less then a handful of guys, but this is also real world owners of both P cars and E9X M3 with DCT. Their thoughts were that the MDCT was much more refined.

The Dual Clutch in my GTI is amazing.. And with a DSG tune from APR..It's literally the best thing ever. It's so smooth, FAST shifts, not jerky... I got no complaints of it. The Mk5 GTI w/ DSG..Theres was a bit more..Meh. The Mk6 is when they started to shine (Mines an Mk6..2013)

Friend of mine has a 2014 911 Turbo S PDK...THAT thing is a MONSTER. Launch control.. 0-60 in 2.7 Seconds.. Can't even think fast enough when flooring it.

He's also got a R8 V10 DCT... He enjoys the R8 more for sheer fact of its RAW, brutal power and fun factor (He drifts this thing like its nothing). That and he put Stasis exhaust and wheels on it.. So it sounds sexy as hell.

It's not trash. Maybe you/they were driving it wrong, but a Porsche DCT is comparable to a VW and VW makes the best DCTs in the business.

I had a 2011 Panamera 4S and it had essentially the same DCT as the 911, and it was an excellent transmission. I implore you to find a review that says Porsche has trash DCTs. You won't find one.

Its pretty hard to drive a Sequential/Dual clutch equipped car wrong. I currently drive a DCT E90M with full bolt on and tune (Evolve-R, trans also) and prior was a similar equipped E46M SMG. When on the track they shine, as most first hand and 2nd hand experience is positive, but on a daily commute its not so good. There isnt reviews that live with these chars, they review on the limit of the cars true potential so they dont get to nit-pick on a day to day basis of some people that have owned them for years. My personal experience, to make one that stuck out was, when in stop in go traffic, the trans would always have the clutch engaged till you are almost at a complete stock which meant your under 10 MPH stops felt somewhat brute and abrupt. A tune did fix that, but not 100%. Still it should need a tune to fix little things like that. There are other things that I have heard but regardless, I do take my comment back, its not a trash system, but certainly wouldnt consider it the best.

Most car reviews take the car on road tests, through the city, country roads, all manners of travel. I don't know a single place that reviews cars that only drives them on the track.

Driving a DCT isn't like driving an automatic, it's a completely different experience. Feels the "same" if you aren't shifting yourself, but it's not. DCTs are automated manuals.

I know you can't find a review that even remotely criticizes Porsche's DCTs.

Most is the key word. While I never said reviews stated the PDK wasnt good, I said "personal experience" from owners and myself found it not the best, as you stated. Im pretty sure comparing your dual clutch rabbit isnt exactly fair to a 911. as they dont share the same trans.

Now while I am not looking for reviews to prove you wrong, you can prove me wrong by acquiring a DCT M3 and a PDK P car and give me youre thoughts on the trans differences. Until then, keep driving your rabbit.

DCT driving is like driving an auto, while in manual mode you simply use the gear shifter or the padles to up and downshift. You make me confusing DCT with other single clutch sequential gearboxes. Those are more involved as they generally require on and off throttle for smoother up and down shifts for DD commute.

Just depends what you want in your vehicle.

They are designed with different sub-consumer-markets.
To some people A4 2.0T or a 328i is perfect, to some people it will be the worse car ever.

How do you value the functions on the car. Some people own a car purely for low rpm commuting. Some people are crazy about interior quality. Some people only care about track abilities.

For me, I can never accept a FWD car, so a non Quattro A4 is not even in consideration regardless how good the other parts are. But some people can accept FWD or love it perfectly.

First of all, I have to say, why the fuck are you talking about Rabbit's? I certainly haven't brought it up. If you're referring to another poster talking about a GTI, a GTI is not a Rabbit either. Second, no reputable institution that reviews cars doesn't take their cars on extensive roadtests.

I have personal experience driving that transmission, so yours and mine cancels out. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much if someone else has some as well and says the opposite. So we have to go to other sources, and in every other source (professional reviews, even googling for what people think), the evidence does not support the opinion that the transmission is trash. I had a Panamera for almost a year, it has virtually the same transmission as a 911, and it was an excellent transmission. I'm not talking about a Rabbit, and even if I was a Rabbit has an excellent transmission (as it has a DSG).

I also don't understand your argument of you trying to tell me Porsche has trash transmissions by telling me an M3 has a good transmission. That doesn't mean anything. You're trying to tell me a tranny that is called excellent by just everyone is trash by telling me an M3 has a better one. That's not really a logical argument. The fact is I have my own personal experience, backed up by reviews and forum posts talking about how good the PDK transmission is. You have your own anecdotal evidence, which for all I know may be how it actually drove, but because of all the other evidence, that does not prove in the slightest the PDK is a bad transmission. Daimler is the company known for their poor DCTs, not Porsche.

Telling me a DCT is like driving an auto is making me think you don't drive a DCT. A DCT is a dual-clutch transmission. VW calls them DSG (Direct-Shift Gearbox), which are the most famous DCTs. Audi calls their DCT S-Tronic (Almost identical to a DSG) and Porsche calls their DCT's PDK (Which take technology developed from ZF, Porsche's own designs and DSG technology). Calling them an automatic with the ability to manually shift gears is incredibly, incredibly simplistic. DCT's are semi-auto or automated manuals. They function completely different and they up and down shift differently. People who go from driving auto's to driving DCTs notice a big difference in how their car drives, and they usually adapt. Drive a DCT like an auto and it'll perform poorly.

This post was edited by Caedus on Sep 19 2014 03:24pm

lol @ transmission arguments.

he obviously is butt hurt. I never brought up reviews for a reason, but mentioned that from personal experience it wasn't good. i even took back calling it trash (very selective reading he has...) because that may have been an over exaggeration of how the trans performs.

i wont even bring this subject up anymore, especially since you just admitted to being a panamera owner, my goodness, possibly one of the ugliest cars ever to come out from Europe.

i would like to see some of these cars Caedus has owned, btw, lets see some pics.

This post was edited by e2z on Sep 23 2014 06:39am