Quote (BiG_BeN @ Nov 4 2016 02:54pm)

my thoughs exactly.

the poor man porsche would be the Boxer/Boxer S

the Cayman looks VERY nice, is nice to drive and is very confortable. And would be in your tiny 60k budget (sarscasm)

here's a Cayman S (Wonder how much they go for)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/2014_Porsche_981_Cayman_S.jpg/1280px-2014_Porsche_981_Cayman_S.jpg

Quote (iBruno @ Nov 4 2016 11:57am)

Don't get me wrong I love the looks of the latest model Cayman... but they seem to be "slow" unless you get the turbo one. The 3.5l V6 N/A seems to lack power... and unless I slap a Porsche taxed overly priced TT or SC I won't be satisfied. My Audi was running 11.51 1/4 mile and putting down about 400 all wheel HP with minor mods. I need something comparable I want to be running close to 10s... like high 10s of course on my next car.

I'm really torn between the M4 with JB4 upgrade or the Z51 3LT corvette with a Procharger upgrade. M4 is like 60k+ and the vette is like 50k...

I'm really leaning towards the vette right now tho... just two seater is gonna be a first time for me ^.^

I love Porsche man but it's either go broke or go home if I was to get one right now....

Quote (BiG_BeN @ Nov 4 2016 12:14pm)

if u want performance at a decent price go for the vette :)

Quote (iBruno @ Nov 4 2016 07:33am)

Heh I'm trying to stay under $60k right now. I could stretch up a bit but I'd rather not I can find something I like within my budget for sure.

Visited beemer Audi and chevy yesterday. Test drove M4, M3, Z51 3lt vette, RS5 and a S6.

Didn't really like the BMW interiors at all to be honest, wish they had like the display inside the dash not above it without being able to "hide it", and also wish they had a flat bottom steering wheel... so used to mine that seeing a rounded one looks so ugly now haha.

I really liked the z51 3LT in red. Felt a little more modern like heads up display, screen like speedometer like the new audis and such. For sure a strong contender, just it's 2 seat but I can def live with that!

RS5 was same as my car basically except v8 but can't really do much to it without an overly expensive SC kit since it's N/A.

The 911 is just too much $$ like $70k + so I'm gonna pass don't want to have $800+ monthly payments lol.

Really torn between the M4 and the Z51 3LT....

Quote (FMX_89 @ Nov 4 2016 01:30pm)

I'd go for the vette after watching the M4 lose to the 2016 camaro SS in a motor trend head to head. Performance was nearly identical. The camaro beat the bmw at what used to be their game, fun to drive.

Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ Nov 4 2016 05:08pm)

I think you underestimate the performance of a Cayman. Stock C6 Z06 times at Laguna Seca are around 1:53 (see road and Track time for Laguna with a pro driver in C5 Z06 at http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988. It would be better by 5 seconds (my guess) with with stickier tires. Stock Cayman S (987) driven by a pro on that same website shows 1:47.58 at Laguna.

They are not slow. But if you want a straight line car, perhaps you want something a bit boatier, but with more power to make up for that mass.


Edit: not being a Porsche fanboy, just literally had this almost exact conversation yesterday, with a friend, so I figured I'd chime in.

Quote (Z97 @ Nov 4 2016 12:59pm)

M4 over the brick all day long. Dunno the new camaros just don't do it for me.

Quote (iBruno @ Nov 4 2016 02:09pm)

C7 z06 running like 1:34 at Laguna. But I wouldn't be buying the z06... performance might be comparable after I slap the Procharger on it, but still. I would never be driving in a track like that. Most action I get year round is 1/4 mile passes at Englishtown Raceway Park besides for the spirited driving on highway occasionally. C6 numbers are kind of meaningless in this comparison. The vette is a $54k base price with 460hp 6.2l V8 while the cayman S is a $64k 3.5l V6 with 325hp... also the "extras" on the Porsche are extremely expensive like the one I'd want to build would come out to like $85k after all the optionals. Porsche tax is just lame at this point. Hard to swallow that for a entry level Porsche.

Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ Nov 4 2016 01:47pm)

I'm not talking about the new 4 banger Cayman (718). My comparisons were of a c6 z06, and the 987 Cayman S, which are the same generation of vehicle (roughly 2000-2010). A 987 Cayman S is around 25-30 grand, the same as a c6 z06. That's what warranted my previous comparison.


Don't get caught up on the "entry level" "poor mans.." stigma that anything without a 911 badge provokes...That's for brand whores, and people who are narrow minded. The 987 Cayman is going to appreciate like crazy, in the future, due to it being the last flat 6 naturally aspirated motor for the model.


But from the sounds of it, you want another AWD something, with gobs of power, since it sounds like you don't go through any twisties (which is where the Cayman absolutely shines).

I really don't think you need a "new" car to have fun. You're just, foolishly, paying for depreciation.

Quote (FMX_89 @ Nov 4 2016 02:46pm)

The 6th gen isn't a brick