Quote (Caedus @ Jun 16 2016 09:09am)

True enough, but when all your models are that expensive, and your truck isn't even full sized it's a bitter pill to swallow for most buyers.



That's not how the law works, and your copy-pasta doesn't prove what you're saying. The US government is suing VW for a very specific set of offenses, which are not gross negligence. They can't all of sudden say "shit, we actually want to sue them for something else. Your honour, you know all that paperwork we filed for VW doing that thing? Actually we want to sue them for killing people now." What VW does to comply with EPA regulations and what they pay for breaking the rules are entirely separate subjects. The legal process and VW working through fixes are different, just as they were with GM, and just as they were with Toyota. Whatever happens with the Justice Departments suit (which they filed on behalf of the EPA, so there is nothing else coming) will be decided without attention to the EPA and VW's negotiations on the fix. The penalties are no longer in the EPAs hands, they've reported their findings to the Justice Department and it's their job to pursue this. It took so long to get the Justice Department suit started because the EPA had to decide what they were going after VW for.

The copy-pasta doesn't prove anything because that outlines how the EPA plans to recall the vehicles; after a fix is announced. Not anytime sooner, because they can't prove the cars are actively harming people. The one year timeline is for VW to develop a fix, something they've already done and have satisfied every other market but somehow the EPA keeps rejecting it. It's not a timeline for the EPA to decide they want to sue VW for something else.

What you don't understand is there is no more investigation. The EPA has already told the Justice Department what to sue VW for, and now the process is about negotiating the settlement (because these things never go to trial). The only thing more to "investigate" with any regard to gross negligence is to determine whether the vehicles have actually directly caused deaths. But they've already done studies and most are inconclusive, and you'll never be able to pass the burden of proof on them alone. Which means you can't prove gross negligence.

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 16 2016 04:31pm)

i could not rationalize this purchase no matter how hard i tried, my 07 camry is still doing fine :/

going to put it towards more housing instead

gonna pass on the model s and wait for the 35k version to see if it has any problems

Quote (TheBroodwich @ Jun 16 2016 10:54am)

Depends of you want a good product or some slapped together junk... Pops truck is a 2015 never driven in the snow, mud, or salt yet has rust all across the bottom already

Quote (FMX_89 @ Jun 16 2016 11:57am)

I'm going to leave this alone until the recall is announced and the EPA steps away. Then we will see what has actually transpired.

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 16 2016 04:31pm)

i could not rationalize this purchase no matter how hard i tried, my 07 camry is still doing fine :/

going to put it towards more housing instead

gonna pass on the model s and wait for the 35k version to see if it has any problems

Quote (TheBroodwich @ Jun 16 2016 09:54am)

Depends of you want a good product or some slapped together junk... Pops truck is a 2015 never driven in the snow, mud, or salt yet has rust all across the bottom already

Quote (FMX_89 @ Jun 17 2016 12:43am)

How is that even possible? My 2014 has the best paint and undercoating of anything I've owned. We don't have a rust problem here thank god. I couldn't live in the rust belt where vehicles are disposable. My crown vic has 422k miles and no rust anywhere.

Quote (TheBroodwich @ Jun 17 2016 08:12am)

Its a Chevy truck thing, see it on every truck I've worked on or drive here at work.

Quote (FMX_89 @ Jun 17 2016 06:25am)

I'm genuinely curious as to what could have already rusted on a 2015 that hasn't been driven in salt or snow? What isn't painted or coated on the chevy that is on a Ford or Dodge? It's not something I've ever looked at to compare because we don't have that problem here.