http://jalopnik.com/2016-cadillac-cts-v-a-glorious-640-hp-exercise-in-over-1721258796

Check that 2016 Cadi out

This post was edited by bta44 on Aug 1 2015 07:38am

And it's priced like the E63, M5, S7 etc. (the 640 HP CTS-V is other $85,000 before options) Cadillac hasn't had much luck convincing people their cars are worth that much yet, even if the raw performance matches the price tag. The focus on getting the raw power up also means Cadillac is lagging behind on two important things, transmission and steering/handling. They still use outdated, regular automatics, and there's a reason the car isn't competing with imports that have similar power but twice the MSRP (because those cars have DCTs and handle like a small sports car). Not sure how much the new one has changed, the reviews don't seem to say it has, but the last gen CTS V handled like the full-sized sedan it was.



Ah yes I forgot. So it'll just be like the R, you have to order them because they won't be sitting in showrooms.

This post was edited by Caedus on Aug 1 2015 08:22am

Could easily get a used one under 40k. But it sounds like you want a 4 cyl that goes PSHHHHHHHH

His dyno'd at like 348 or 349. I forget which
He was pissed he couldn't get that extra few to get him to 350+

Right at 350 its very fast. I don't see the need for much more then that

Blah blah


Very little thought had to be devoted to adding power to the V. The engine already existed in the lineup. It was a decision that required a finger snap. GM has decided to forgo the expensive DCT setup for now. The new 8 speed auto is insane. You should read up on it a little

Certainly was not as simple as dropping a Corvette engine in the CTS V.

It's a still a traditional automatic in a car that is going to approach $100,000 with options. To attract the crowd Caddy wants to get to buy the CTS V, it needs a DCT. People who were already buying Caddy have been complaining that the prices have skyrocketed in recent years. How many of those people are willing to drop $85,000 at the very least? Not many. No, they want people who are looking at the E63, S6, M5, S7, etc. And those type of people you're going to have to really convince to buy an American car. The CTS V was selling about 5500 cars at its peak in 2011. It was down to about 2200 in 2014. And the car wasn't as expensive as it is now.

If GM wants to sell Caddys like the Germans, they've got to appeal to what the buyers of German cars are looking at. GM claimed the 8L90 shifted faster than the PDK couple years ago, but I don't see anything substantiated that claim since. It doesn't really matter if the car is as good, it matters if people will buy it. And it's going to be a tough sell. Caddy needs to start making a DCT, as the technology is poised to make all conventional automatics extinct. The future of automatics will likely be CVTs and DCTs.

This post was edited by Caedus on Aug 1 2015 12:03pm

Dual clutch transmission, don't get me wrong, is fun and I've always enjoyed driving it "except in toyotas, slowest shifting transmission ever...", but that 8l90 transmission is sick dude.. I got to ride in the ATS-V, and it shifts so fucking smooth, and it is SOOOO responsive... And when I say responsive, I literally am saying that there aren't very many people who are buying these categories of cars "as you listed" that can respond that fast to shifting.. The car knows more than you do when you drive that type of car... I personally feel that a strict DCT would destroy the line, and all the r&d they've done with the 8l90..

Make it an option MAYBE, but sorry like the Corvette market, the Cadillac market is hardly filled with auto enthusiasts.. More like middle-old aged men that want to have some fun.

What leads you to think it wasn't that easy? It is a modular engine system.

If people don't buy it because it doesn't have a DCT that is their fault. They should do a little more independent research and stop being sheeple.

Smooth sure, but that's the hall mark of auto tranny's. They're supposed to be smooth, I just don't see the point in investing so much money into technology that will all but be eliminated by CVTs and DCTs. I get that GM created a really good auto tranny, and even more kudos to them considering most automakers don't design their own transmissions. DCTs (especially the really goods one, PDK and DSG) already outperform automatics, and the technology is only going to get better. In fairness GM started designing 8I90 8-9 years ago before the DCT revolution in sports cars formally took place.



Because it's not that easy lol. Easy decision maybe but easy to do? Cadillac surely spent millions adjusting the Corvette engine to work with what they wanted to do with the CTS V.

It's not those peoples problem, it's Caddys problem. The cars are still very much American, yet they're aggressively targeting the German luxury market.

Do you think they built the CTS platform for the V6 and later decided to throw in a V8? No.

In the V2 the LSA is nothing more than an LS9 with a smaller blower and cast pistons. You are trying to fool the wrong guy. All LSX or LTX are interchangeable. The V was designed to carry them. Pretty derp worthy there.


Edit: did the guy at the dealer tell you it was an extensive redesign to make it work? Did he use buzzwords and sensationalism?

This post was edited by FMX_89 on Aug 1 2015 05:00pm