Now that is a deal

yea its not a looker, but atleast I can tell you it still handles like a bmw, and its the cheapest carbon fiber monocoque chassis you can buy

I pay more than that every month for my bike lol...

You're gonna be broke at prices like that bud

Sounds like hearsay. You certainly don't understand very well how a dealership works. Stereotypes exist for a reason, but that doesn't mean they're valid. Every dealership has a shuttle driver. I literally cannot think of one that doesn't. It's not just luxury dealerships. At a Mercedes or Porsche dealership sure they'll wait on you hand and foot but the core principle of shuttles remains. The Ford dealership my grandma bought her cars from in a tiny town of 2000 had a shuttle driver. Sometimes the shuttle driver (at small dealerships) is the shuttle driver or the service manager, but the shuttle is an important part of a dealership. I don't care that the occasional dealership doesn't have one (these are very few and far between today), because "occasional" experiences cannot be generalized to the entire 'population'. Dealerships have to charge their labour rate to make money. If they had a $65/hour rate instead of a $105/hour rate, their Service department would lose money. What part of they have significantly higher overhead don't you understand?

There is plenty of reason to take your car to the dealership. Just as an independent mechanic wants to build a rapport with you so you come back, so will a dealership. I never pay for tire changes/alignments at my dealership because I'm a good customer. If I went to my independent mechanic to do that he would 100% charge me for that. Build rapport with a dealership and they'll knock money down quite a bit because you're a valuable customer. Branch falls on your car, scratches the roof? Build a rapport with your dealership and there's a good chance if you ask, their detailers will see if they can fix it for you. None of this even touches on the fact a dealership scan tool is vastly superior to a general scan tool an independent mechanic has. Brand scan tools are only available to dealerships. With newer cars, a dealership will know how to work on them better because they have manuals and direct access to techlines which are a pool of knowledge from dealership mechanics around the country. Your independent mechanic is stumped he'll not know what to do or worse yet he'll do something wrong.

Take your Corvette to a quick lube shop and you're a fucking moron. They crash your car, that's your fault for taking a sports car to a quiclube shop, and you're not getting anything from the quicklube place. A dealership damages your car, you're getting reimbursed. You've probably heard stories of people who don't get anything from a dealership, but that's usually because it's some moron who tried to scam a dealership and they wouldn't have anything of it. There's surely some dealerships who won't do that, but that's not typical. A dealership does that, their reputation takes a hit, their brand fires back (I've heard of cases where dealerships screw up and the brand tells the dealership to fire those involved or risk losing their association with the brand)., they might get on the news. It's not a good situation. Do independent shops have the same pressure? Definitely not. Downtown Toyota wrecks your car, everyone who gets told remember. Joe Schmo's Tire and Auto? Nobody remembers

Again, you're in the situation where you've taken the extreme position that dealerships are only out to scam your money, and you think every other position unreasonable. If you like independent mechanics, that's your choice. Blowing smoke out your ass to try to make people think what you think is absurd. There are plenty of good reasons to take your car to the dealership. You're ignoring all of them, while ignoring all the reasons not to go to an independent mechanic. They're pro's and con's for each one, you balance what you think is important. No one is objectively better.

I wouldnt say best service. Most of the dealership mechanics around here are noobies that needed jobs fresh out of college/technical school.

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I never said there is no reason to go to a dealership. I said there is no reason to go to one once the warranty period is up. I understand how they work perfectly well. I know mechanics and managers that work at gm, ford, mb, and toyota dealerships. I worked at a motorcycle dealership myself IN the service department. The very thing you are accusing me of doing is what you are doing.

If you want to overpay for mechanic work no one is stopping you. We will continue calling them stealerships.

That's the same thing. I'm not talking about going to the dealership for warranty work, I'm talking about going there in general.

I really have no reason to believe your side, you've shown a lack of understanding for why people choose dealerships over independent shops and why dealerships. You can't even address the reasons why a dealership is better at some things, you just ignore it and say "blah blah stealership."

Fixed your post as well.

You act like i'm the only person that thinks dealerships rip people off more often than not. Do what you want. No one really gives a fuck. Since it concerns you so much i do all of my own work. I'm really not that bias. There are 2 independent shops i would trust here and 1 dealership. The rest can kick rocks. I don't use any of them though. That is part of why dealership bills look so outrageous to me. I know what it takes to complete those jobs and what the parts cost.

its refreshing to see atmosphere in this subforum has never changed in 7 years.

You're not. But that doesn't make you right. And that certainly doesn't mean you've made any convincing arguments against that. You seem to like talking as if you're talking for everyone, when you're certainly not. Maybe you should get off your high horse and stop making an argument if you don't want to back it up and address opposing arguments. Your personal experience is irrelevant.