I would say the old civic type Rs would outhandle your GTO but his handles fucking horribly

fwd car with a solid rear axle = fail

wuat?

Im sure i just said the EP3 was faster than the FN2.

Im sure I also said the nurburgring lap time was done it an EG, the FN2 is quicker than the EG...

I seem to be repeating myself.

im not saying u can make them the exact same, obviously there are characteristics V8's have that 4 bangers dont and vise versa. but there are 4 bangers made that redline at 6k or less and have very close hp and torque curves instead of the spreed aprate hp and torque curves that say honda engines have. u can design any engine no matter the size to have a low rpm power band or a high rpm power band. neither is limited to any kind of engine 4 banger or V8.

keep in mind i am speaking purely about the hp and torque curves and the rpm at which they max at. non of this has anything to do with total power output.




u are right i am a dumbass or dyslexic or something.



This post was edited by Four20 on Dec 23 2009 06:55pm

yes you can obviously modify them for certain things like you brought up f1 racing etc etc but overall thats how v8s work and that is why most v8s made do not make (or care) about 100hp/liter. its really not an indication of anything but state of tune

once again its not most V8's it is american V8's, many other companies make small displacement V8's with high rpm powerbands. an engines state of tune is very important, just by looking at that and weather its N/A or not can tell u almost everything u need to know about the engine without looking at the other stats. u can generally determine that an engine with 100hp + per liter N/A is an engine designed for a track it will have a compression ratio higher than 10:1 and many times higher than 11:1. and will make its make max hp around 8-9k rpms.

im not talking about modifying an engine to make it have a high or low powerband. this is something that is best taken into consideration when designing the engine. some N/A 4 bangers are designed to hive high rpm powerbands and some redline at 6k or less and make just as much of not more torque than hp.

u make max hp at higher rpms and u make max torque at low rpms this is just how it works generally. take american V8s for example they make very close to the same amount of torque as hp if not more. the reason for this is not because they make more torque but because engines make less hp at lower rpms. if they where designed for higher rpm use they could make quit a bit more hp and about the same amount of torque.

low displacement and rpm range help but it doesn't change the power range between the 2

its like saying you can make a 4 stroke engine act like a 2 stroke, sure you could do a bunch of shit to it and make it similar, but it well never really act the same

not sure exactly wwhat u are saying. but yes u can change the rpm range between the torque and hp.

im dont know a whole hell of a lot about drag racing but i know there are N/A class's. i guarantee u there are high displacement american V8's running in those class's that hit max torque about 5k and max hp at 8k+ depending on the overall stat of tune.

like i siad with the knowlage u can make any engine have a low rpm power band say 6k redline with max hp just before that or a high rpm power band with max hp at 8k+. if honda wanted to they could make 2.0 liter 4 bangers that make about 150 ft lbs and 150 hp at a 6k rpm redline but they choose not to and i for one am glad.

everyone always says honda engines lack torque. well its the same as the american v8 example i stated in the last post. its not that they make less torque its that they make more power at higher rpms. my engine for example makes 160 hp at like 6.5k and 140 ft lbs at like 5k. thats not that big of diff between hp and torque, but the same engine in a higher state of tune in the type R makes the same 140 ft lbs at like 5k and 200+ hp at 7.5k+. so why not have the same amount of torque at the same approximate rpm and then have even more hp at a higher rpm where u can really make use of it because the torque drops off allowing for more traction and HP to the ground.



yea yea i know tl;dr bla bla....

This post was edited by Four20 on Dec 23 2009 07:35pm

I dont like the new civics...at all

god your sig is so gay

'least he's representin??? ...lol