/facepalm

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http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6452778/the-general-forum/new-cobalt-ss-turbo-bows-8-22-min-on-nrburgring-ef/page3.html

never use wikipedia as an actual source you retard

This post was edited by Monster666 on Dec 23 2009 06:31pm

Sry I forgot to mention the CTR lap record of 8:47 was set in 2001.

you do realize that the older type Rs were faster than the shittier version you bought right?

2001 was set in a EG, the EP3 is faster than the EG the FN2 is faster than the EG, you comprehend?

don't really care none of them will even come close

25 seconds is a fucking enormous gap no stock civic has a hope in hell

srry but u are wrong on many lvls.

not all V8's are about torque, american V8's are. and the C6R race engine still makes plenty of torque.

the hp per liter rating or more technically called specific displacment is a very omportant mesurment in the auto industry. it is a key indicator as to the engines state of tune.

any and all engines can be designed to have the same kind of powerband. its all about the engines state of tune compression ratio and im sure u can imagine may other factors. take the KA25DE from the 240sx. it is a 4 banger it makes like 155 hp but wait it makes 160 ft lbs of tourque. any engine can be designed to have any kinda powerband u want.


i understand torque and its relationship to hp, torque is very important for say drag racing or other forms of motorsports where u are not 1000 rpm from redline all the time. engines with a high specific displacement say over 100hp per liter are designed to be more track inspired. a big factor on being fast on a track is being able to reliable put HP to the ground at high rpms. if your torque and hp powerbands overlap and are very close rpms wise then u will have trouble putting power down at high rpms where race engines always are.

the fastest race cars generally make very little torque and very high amounts of hp so that they can get that hp to the ground at high rpms more efficiently. F1 engines for example are like 3.0 liter v8's that make 700+ hp and like 300 ft lbs. they design them like this because of the reason i just descried about traction at high rpms.

the high performance honda and ferrari engines are of the same basic type of design are more intended to be used on a race track not a drag strip. they are 2 very diff worlds where 2 very diff kids of cars and engines are used.

you can never make a V black engine have the same power band as an inline engine period

if you could, there would be no V blocks and inlines because everything would be the fucking same thing

the FN2 is not faster than the EP3 atleast on most tracks. the EP3 has fully independent rear suspension. for some reason honda europe stuck a solid beam rear axle on your car. fully independent double wishbone rear suspension is far superior to a solid beam on a race track.

i also have the episode of top gear where they compare the 2, they fn2 clearly does not handle as well as the ep3.

the new one also weighs a lot more and got literally 1 more hp

my fav part of the episode is when he explains that

well lets see, the Honda CTR does the nurburgring in 8:47

the 2010 Camaro does it in 8:20

now the 2004 GTO is a Bit slower than the camaro, a bit lighter and handles about the same, the camaro hadles just a little bit better
the GTO and the New camaro have the same chassis, the camaros is just an upgraded version of it

now with that being said i would put my GTO around 8:45-9 min (they havent really tested it on the Nurburgring from what i can see)

so i would say the civic and my gto is around the same

now they make some godly suspension for the GTO from peddlers, making the .85 skidpad stock to about a 1.02 skidpad

so yes your civic does handle better than my GTO, but the quicker acceleration and faster "strait line" speed makes up for it