Quote (FMX_89 @ Jan 1 2013 10:42am)
I'm not dodging shit. I already answered that. All of those things are the variables I was talking about.
Guess what? What I said is still true. Quit trying to have a logical argument like a child. If we are talking about wheelbase, obviously all other things would have to be held constant or it's null and void. I thought that went without saying. Your argument is so flawed it's spectacular.
I'll try to break it down for you 1 more time. Say I have a BRZ. I add 200 horsepower to it. Nothing else has changed, I just added a significant amount of power. It is now going to be squirrely as fuck. Keeping the back end in line is going to be extremely hard. When it breaks loose, it's going to snap loose and spin out before you can catch it.
Yes you can say adding more grip and downforce while lowering the weight will help. It is only masking the issue though. If the wheelbase was longer it wouldn't need the extra downforce and grip to remain stable.
It's painfully obvious. Lets look at modern cars with really short wheelbases.
S2000 - 240hp
Miata - 130-160hp
BRZ - 197hp
SmartForTwo - 70hp
Fiat 500 - 160hp
The top 3 are all performance cars. They are intended to be fun little 2 seaters that have good handling, balance, and driver feedback. They accomplish those things. No one intended on them being fast. Thus, they were designed with short wheelbases and light weight. It gives them that "Zippy" feeling everybody loves. If you try to add a lot of power to any of them, you suddenly have a rollerskate on your hands. They were not supposed to have 450hp. They are not supposed to compete on full length road courses with much faster (and longer) cars. If they wanted to BRZ to have 500hp and compete with supercars it would be longer. Oh wait, that already exists. It's called the Corvette.
Longer isn't always better, but it has to have a wheelbase proportional to it's power level. I said that several pages ago. The point is still the same. Please oh great automotive genius, please explain how that simple statement is wrong and back it up with something technical instead of bashing my post like a broken record. You are trying to turn the attention away from your own naïveté. I know where I've been and where my experience has come from. You seem to have a personal vendetta against me. I hate that I pissed you off (not really) but arguing like this is futile. You are wrong. Just walk away.
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More power requires a longer wheelbase to maintain control.
That's your arguement.
Alright buddy you're right.
more power REQUIRES a longer wheelbase to maintain control.
Most people that take their stock cars and modify them, also modify their wheelbase.
Oh wait, ALL people who modify their cars modify their wheelbases, because it's required.
They do it because it's required, and there is NO other way to effect how the car handles except pulling out a blowtorch and changing how far apart their wheels are.
your the one with the flawed argument bro.
more power does not REQUIRE a longer wheelbase to maintain control because, alarmingly, there are other ways to modify how your car handles.
Would a longer wheelbase help, of fucking course it would.
is a longer wheelbase REQUIRED to maintain control, no.
you use an example of a 200hp car, and making it 500+hp.
how about a 120hp saturn that i add 10 horsepower. It's getting more power, so now we NEED TO, we HAVE TO, we are REQUIRED to make the wheelbase longer to maintain.
Because ya know, more power
requires a longer wheelbase to maintain control. and by giving that car more horsepower it's now a total peice of shit to try and drive around unless we fab the wheelbase.There would be no other options to modify how the car handles other then that.
Let me ask you FMX, how many people do you know with modified cars, how many of them modified their wheelbase.
If you added 80 horsepower to your firebird, would you take your own advise and make the wheelbase longer? Or would you mitigate that power gain by some other means/variable.
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More power requires a longer wheelbase to maintain control.
Is not true, i add 10 horsepower, my car won't need a longer wheelbase to maintain control.
That's more power is it not?
see how your statement/argument is flawed?