this thread is gay

You sir, are correct.

No u

not really at least the other threads have more substance than shitty youtube videos

yes we all flame and poke fun but its always on topic of what the o/p put up IE: proving 74charger is a dumbass when he posts things like his charger runs dual chutes with no rear brakes

this thread is 100% bullshit the so called "honda fans" have added nothing of worth to the discussion and the rest of us have been done talking about these fwd slowmobiles for 190 pages

because its Honda? they don't like things without transaxles

because, honda and the rest of the japanese companies have been in the economy market for a long time. FWD cars with small engines are more economical to manufacture in mass than your avrg rwd economy car. thats why almost all small 4 banger economy cars are FWD. honda has a long history of racing in many diff leagues probly most notable F1.

anyway point being is honda like mazda has racing in their blood and they design pretty much every car with that in mind. no matter what kind of car it is they always take into consideration F/R weight ratios, chassis stiffness,design well refined suspension geometry, probly the most important basic design aspects when designing a car. a car that has been designed from the ground up with spirited driving in mind will obviously be a much more refined car than one without these factors taken into consideration.

they still have RWD cars obviously, whats wrong with making a FWD car a little more fun to drive. aside from the fact the integra/RSX is the same basic chassis as the civic and would probly not be cheap at all for honda to convert it to RWD. that basic chassis is designed to be FWD a RWD chassis has to be designed to be RWD.

This post was edited by Four20 on Nov 29 2009 01:51am

in order of your paragraphs

1. fwd is always more economical than rwd if you are using the same engine etc pulling > pushing for teh mpgs, it is however more expensive to manufacture a fwd car because of the transaxle

2. the whole Honda and Mazda racing being in their blood and saying they put it into every car is laughable and just obviously untrue, you sound like one of their stupid little commercials. Honda really doesn't take racing into consideration with something like a 2004 civic ex

3. and nothing is wrong with making a fwd car more fun to drive, except for the fact thats its still fail wheel drive

1. not to sure about that, but i dont know for sure. i would assume its cheaper arleast for the japanese because thats what all their economy cars are. if u make something for 50+ u are going to start getting really efficient at it and the better u get at it and the more of it u make the cheaper it gets.

2. u took that the wrong way, im not saying they design everycar to be a race car. im saying the take the most basic aspects of chassis design and suspension geometry into consideration when designing cars. they obviously arent trying to make a world champ touring car but u can keep the fundamentals of chassis balance in mind when designing a car and they and mazda do this more than your acrg economy companies. thats why hondas and mazdas absolutly dominate tha grassroots racing world.


edit: take a company like kia for example, i guarantee u there cars low end economy cars are designed to be that absolute cheapest to buil possible. they dont give a shit about suspensipon geometry or chassis design. thats why kias suck for track use. honda and mozda on the the other hand pay attention to these aspects and try to provide the best balance possible for the kind of car they are making.

This post was edited by Four20 on Nov 29 2009 01:59am

1. simple physics pulling is always more economical than pushing and maybe it is cheaper now for Honda because when is the last time they changed more than a few parts on that civic transaxle?

2. yea I get what you are saying but Honda and Mazda are not unique in doing that, they are just the only ones with small enough dicks that they have to try and brag about it every 10 seconds. And they certainly do not "dominate" the grassroots of the racing world in any way, shape, or form

1. as far i i know they are still using the same basic transaxle design just diff sizes and widths.

2. im not gonna sit here and call u a dumbass or anything and i mean no offense but u dont know shit about grassroots road racing. all the lower class races are completely dominated by 4th and 5th gen civic hatchs and first gen mazda miatas. im not talking about leagues like the speed world challenge that is a bit beyond grassroots racing, grassroots racing is racing in its simplest for. the cheapest cars u can get and maintain for racing with the best balance possible. just so happens the best cars for this are the miata and the civic.

obviously there are many others that make great grassroots cars too like the mk2 golf and rabbit, the CRX, old bmw's and so on. but the leagues are dominated by civics and miatas, weather thats because of superior design compare to other cars of the time or weather it cuz the civic and miata have massive aftermarket followings so they are the cheapest to prep for racing. probly more a combo of both, there were very few cheap cars made then with fully independent double wishbone suspension and this alone gives the miata and civic a huge advantage in the grassroots world.



im not saying u think this but alot of ppl out there just dont know shit about track racing. they think that because a car has more power it will beat a lesser car on a track no matter what. thats just not the case. track racing is all about keeping momentum up in the corners. obviously it depends largely on the track too, but for the most part a car that can out corner another car is gonna win on a track. this is so much more important for cars with littel power the person who can keep up the most momentum in the corners is gonna win, and that is where the fully independant double wishones of the miata and civic come into play and why they dominate their class's.