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Aug 8 2014 04:59pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 8 2014 04:56pm)
E-85 is almost impossible to detonate.  It's like running methanol for fuel instead of throwing it on top of gasoline.  There is no pump to fail or nozzle to clog either.  It's the best of both worlds.


how is there no pump to fail? lol

it has to get from the tank to the injectors some how lol.

same with the injection, how is there no nozzle to clog? it has to get in to the motor some how lol

i know you have made these points to me before but unless it runs on some sort of mistra's weave magic shit from dungeons and dragons, i dont get your point lol.

The pump i use for the meth injection on my spirit r/t is a 300psi internally bypassed pulse free pump

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Aug 8 2014 05:07pm
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how is there no pump to fail? lol

it has to get from the tank to the injectors some how lol.

same with the injection, how is there no nozzle to clog? it has to get in to the motor some how lol

i know you have made these points to me before but unless it runs on some sort of mistra's weave magic shit from dungeons and dragons, i dont get your point lol.

The pump i use for the meth injection on my spirit r/t is a 300psi internally bypassed pulse free pump





Derp

If your fuel pump fails or your injector somehow clogged you would instantly know there was a problem or the engine would die altogether.

If you are spraying a shit ton of meth and the meth pump goes out the engine keeps running, you go lean, and you pop the motor. It's just like having a fuel solenoid stick closed on a nitrous setup. The meth kit is adding more variables and more equipment to break. Running E-85 is like running race fuel from the pump at a price cheaper than premium.
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Aug 8 2014 05:15pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 8 2014 04:58pm)
That's double work imo.  Pulling the engine again just to swap pistons means another trip to the machine shop and more labor costs.  Another $800 set of pistons etc.

If it were me i'd stay stock displacement if you aren't going for over 1200hp.


oh im not worried about the time and money to do it, i gotta pretty neat setup in my dads shop with 2 overhead cranes for pulling engines and engine build and run stands. It never usually takes me more then 2 hours to pull a motor and that to put it back in and have it running/driving. i did the motor swap on a friends wrx in 4 hours flat so yeah lol

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Aug 8 2014 05:21pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 8 2014 05:07pm)
Derp

If your fuel pump fails or your injector somehow clogged you would instantly know there was a problem or the engine would die altogether.

If you are spraying a shit ton of meth and the meth pump goes out the engine keeps running, you go lean, and you pop the motor.  It's just like having a fuel solenoid stick closed on a nitrous setup.  The meth kit is adding more variables and more equipment to break. Running E-85 is like running race fuel from the pump at a price cheaper than premium.


well yeah i get that but i with the electronic controller i have my spirit r/t, if it detects pump failure/loss of power/and or pressure to/from the pump, it then sends a signal to my boost controller/wastegate controller and wg soloenoid and its opens the wastegate on the turbo dumping all boost. So if the meth injection fails under boost, nada to worry about. Im not worried about clogged nozzles, cuz well, there is more then enough pressure there to push anything out of it that may get into it.
If i was running a non filtered induction then yeah id be concerned but i would run a filter /like on my spirit r/t..so chances of clogging is slim to none

i mean, not having a fail safe on the meth injection is like not having a spare tire in the car.. sure the chances of ever having to use it are slim, but there is a chance and you dont wanna be caught in a situation without it... at first i didnt have a fail safe on it but i got bored over the the winter and wired something up for it with spare electronics i had laying around.

yeah but iirc, you burn like 30% more of e85 to go just as far as a pump gas setup. I kinda like getting 400 miles on a tank with my challenger.

Edit: i get your point entirely now but the chances of anything failing and causing catastrophic damage is as good as anything else in the car. Something to keep in mind yes, but nothing to really toil over

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Aug 8 2014 05:55pm
Quote (TURBO_DODGE @ Aug 8 2014 04:21pm)
well yeah i get that but i with the electronic controller i have my spirit r/t, if it detects pump failure/loss of power/and or pressure to/from the pump, it then sends a signal to my boost controller/wastegate controller and wg soloenoid and its opens the wastegate on the turbo dumping all boost. So if the meth injection fails under boost, nada to worry about. Im not worried about clogged nozzles, cuz well, there is more then enough pressure there to push anything out of it that may get into it.
If i was running a non filtered induction then yeah id be concerned but i would run a filter /like on my spirit r/t..so chances of clogging is slim to none

i mean, not having a fail safe on the meth injection is like not having a spare tire in the car.. sure the chances of ever having to use it are slim, but there is a chance and you dont wanna be caught in a situation without it... at first i didnt have a fail safe on it but i got bored over the the winter and wired something up for it with spare electronics i had laying around.

yeah but iirc, you burn like 30% more of e85 to go just as far as a pump gas setup. I kinda like getting 400 miles on a tank with my challenger.

Edit: i get your point entirely now but the chances of anything failing and causing catastrophic damage is as good as anything else in the car. Something to keep in mind yes, but nothing to really toil over


All of that takes time which you dont have if you are detonating. I dont like using extra parts that can fail and cause the engine to blow.
Fuel only and boost only is the best way for a street car
and as FMX said no reason to stroke the engine
Stroking is an old school way of making power when fuel delivery sucked and risk of blowing the engine was high or you are trying to make dragcar power
Short stroke + Big bore + Good heads/intake setup = fun street engine. More cubes will result in more torque which will result in more driveline parts failing

Honestly with a cam/headgaskets decent sized turbo like a s480 and e85 you are going to have trouble keeping the rest of the car together.
As far as MPG goes it depends on the tune and how you drive it.
You can run E85 a bit leaner at highway cruising than normal gas so the resulting MPG decrease is pretty low(10% range)
at WOT you will be using 30%~ more fuel but i doubt you are going to be driving around wide open with 650whp+ all the time.


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Aug 8 2014 06:00pm
Quote (flyjum @ Aug 8 2014 06:55pm)
All of that takes time which you dont have if you are detonating. I dont like using extra parts that can fail and cause the engine to blow.
Fuel only and boost only is the best way for a street car
and as FMX said no reason to stroke the engine
Stroking is an old school way of making power when fuel delivery sucked and risk of blowing the engine was high or you are trying to make dragcar power
Short stroke + Big bore + Good heads/intake setup = fun street engine. More cubes will result in more torque which will result in more driveline parts failing

Honestly with a cam/headgaskets decent sized turbo like a s480 and e85 you are going to have trouble keeping the rest of the car together.
As far as MPG goes it depends on the tune and how you drive it.
You can run E85 a bit leaner at highway cruising than normal gas so the resulting MPG decrease is pretty low(10% range)
at WOT you will be using 30%~ more fuel but i doubt you are going to be driving around wide open with 650whp+ all the time.



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Aug 8 2014 06:07pm
Quote (flyjum @ Aug 8 2014 05:55pm)
All of that takes time which you dont have if you are detonating. I dont like using extra parts that can fail and cause the engine to blow.
Fuel only and boost only is the best way for a street car
and as FMX said no reason to stroke the engine
Stroking is an old school way of making power when fuel delivery sucked and risk of blowing the engine was high or you are trying to make dragcar power
Short stroke + Big bore + Good heads/intake setup = fun street engine. More cubes will result in more torque which will result in more driveline parts failing

Honestly with a cam/headgaskets decent sized turbo like a s480 and e85 you are going to have trouble keeping the rest of the car together.
As far as MPG goes it depends on the tune and how you drive it.
You can run E85 a bit leaner at highway cruising than normal gas so the resulting MPG decrease is pretty low(10% range)
at WOT you will be using 30%~ more fuel but i doubt you are going to be driving around wide open with 650whp+ all the time.


little do you know about me B)

i have a size 16 boot made of cast iron

This post was edited by TURBO_DODGE on Aug 8 2014 06:13pm
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Aug 8 2014 06:51pm
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little do you know about me  B)

i have a size 16 boot made of cast iron


You won't have that license long
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Aug 8 2014 08:36pm
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You won't have that license long


with the stock engine in that land barge he wont have to worry about that
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Aug 8 2014 09:06pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 8 2014 06:51pm)
You won't have that license long


yeah well other then that 98 in a 55 i got a few months ago, (that i pretty much got away with) ive never had a single ticket in the 11 years ive had my license.

I live out in the country. 15 miles in any direction, there probably isnt more then 2 or 3 cops on duty. You can get away with alot around here. Not like right here by road america where i live cuz porkies like hide at the north gate entrance to road america but any side road off the main road that road america is on you will be safe to do whatever.

thats just how it is around here. I dont live in or near the cespool called a "city"

id have to travel about 30 miles to hit a city bigger then 6k people.. most towns around here are 4k or less. Hell elkhart lake is like 800 lol

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