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May 2 2014 01:44pm
Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ May 2 2014 03:20pm)
I'm at work on my phone. But I'll update and answer your questions when I'm home.


Yep, no problems. And FMX, I see you're coming from. I Don't have any real valid arguments against doing the black, so I'll give it some thought and do some research on it.
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May 2 2014 02:00pm
Quote (PeanutButter @ May 2 2014 11:16am)
When I google this paint, the cars I see don't look nearly as good as that one lol. But yeah check out google to see that paint on a Miata, they don't look so good. And I feel like it's going to be around the same amount of work to paint it that color or the blue that I want.






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May 2 2014 06:14pm
Quote (PeanutButter @ May 2 2014 08:40am)
Alright so I did a little internet searching, and I think I may have come up with what I want.

For the paint gun:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dvr-802343/overview/

And then the paint its self:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-up309/overview/

If these seem like a good choice to you, then it looks like I'll have about 100$ in paint (And activator), and 150 in the gun for a total of 250$ paint job so far. I already have the bondo and glass bondo I need for the repairs, as well as the sandpaper.

So then my next question, paint prep. So obviously I'm going to peel the plasti dip and do the fender and quarter repairs, roughing the metal and then filling low spots with the fiber bondo, and finishing it off with bondo and a finish sand.

Question 1, what is the final grit that should be used on the repairs before paint?

Question 2, the car is bare aluminum under the plasti dip. Do you recommend primer first, and if so, which primer do you recommend?

Question 3, does primer color effect paint hue? I know this is the case with a lot of paints, will it effect this single stage paint?

Final question, and this one is just to get some input and opinions, how do you (And anybody else that would like to add input) feel this blue would look on a lowered NA Miata. You can refer to my other Miata thread to see the wheels and lips I am running as well.





Okay, so you have your paint, and your gun selection. Good.


1.) The final grit for most conventional paint jobs is around 320-400 wet. Sand up to this grit.

2.) Bare metal, especially aluminum is notoriously hard to bond to. I'd recommend lightly spraying, or "etch" the bare metal spots with an etching primer. Etching primer is sprayed extremely light (not going for coverage at all) right over bare metal, and once it flashes (5 minutes) you paint right over it. It's mainly an adhesion promoter. But I highly recommend. It comes in aerosol spray can form as well, so you don't have to buy yet another quart of material.

3.) Primer color will affect how easily uniform coverage is achieved. Only if the paint is light, and not uniform will the primer affect the coloration/hue of the paint. Ideally, for really nice paint jobs, you'd tint the primer similarly colored to that of the finish paint. This way it makes it much easier to achieve the color you'd want, in fewer coats, instead of trying to cover up a contrasting primer color with more than necessary paint.

But, for example, if I were spraying a black car. And it had some light gray primer spots. I'd hit the primer spots first, before applying paint to the rest of the panel.


The last thing you want on your fresh paint job is to see the primer areas bleed through.

Keep em coming, if you have any more questions.

This post was edited by OldAndyAndTheSea on May 2 2014 06:18pm
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Okay, so you have your paint, and your gun selection. Good.


1.) The final grit for most conventional paint jobs is around 320-400 wet. Sand up to this grit.

2.) Bare metal, especially aluminum is notoriously hard to bond to. I'd recommend lighting spraying, or "etch" the bare metal spots with an etching primer. Etching primer is sprayed extremely light (not going for coverage at all) right over bare metal, and once it flashes (5 minutes) you paint right over it. It's mainly an adhesion promoter. But I highly recommend. It comes in aerosol spray can form as well, so you don't have to buy yet another quart of material.

3.) Primer color will affect how easily uniform coverage is achieved. Only if the paint is light, and not uniform will the primer affect the coloration/hue of the paint. Ideally, for really nice paint jobs, you'd tint the primer similarly colored to that of the finish paint. This way it makes it much easier to achieve the color you'd want, in fewer coats, instead of trying to cover up a contrasting primer color with more than necessary paint.

But, for example, if I were spraying a black car. And it had some light gray primer spots. I'd hit the primer spots first, before applying paint to the rest of the panel.


The last thing you want on your fresh paint job is to see the primer areas bleed through.

Keep em coming, if you have any more questions.


Alright awesome information. I honestly didn't even think of etching primer. I've only ever used that on like lettering and things that I want to show threw the final paint.

So, need to add some spray cans of this to the order. How many would you think? 3-4? Then entire car is bare aluminum.

And that's what I assumed on hitting the spots first, pretty much the same method as house paint.

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May 2 2014 06:25pm
Hate to burst all these bubbles, but IMO flat black looks cheap (in a sense of shitty) no matter what car its on. Same with a flat grey.

This post was edited by CarsAndKush on May 2 2014 06:26pm
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May 2 2014 06:29pm
Quote (PeanutButter @ May 2 2014 08:20pm)
Alright awesome information. I honestly didn't even think of etching primer. I've only ever used that on like lettering and things that I want to show threw the final paint.

So, need to add some spray cans of this to the order. How many would you think? 3-4? Then entire car is bare aluminum.

And that's what I assumed on hitting the spots first, pretty much the same method as house paint.


Yeah. Same logic as house paint.

And as far as cans go. It's a Miata, so it's small. And you spray REALLY lightly. Like keep the can 18 inches away from the panel, and once you see a fine mist of etching primer hit the panel, that's enough. Should just be hazy. If it has ANY gloss, it's waaaaay too wet.

So given that information. 3-4 cans should absolutely be sufficient.

Again, less is more with this stuff.

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Quote (CarsAndKush @ May 2 2014 07:25pm)
Hate to burst all these bubbles, but IMO flat black looks cheap (in a sense of shitty) no matter what car its on. Same with a flat grey.


He is painting it blue you twat. Like you have room to talk about class anyway...
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May 2 2014 07:20pm
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He is painting it blue you twat. Like you have room to talk about class anyway...


Says the guy driving around a Cruze. :thumbsup:

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May 2 2014 07:23pm
Quote (CarsAndKush @ May 3 2014 12:25am)
Hate to burst all these bubbles, but IMO flat black looks cheap (in a sense of shitty) no matter what car its on. Same with a flat grey.





Nope.

This post was edited by Vengeance_IV pwns j00 on May 2 2014 07:24pm
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May 2 2014 07:25pm
Really guys...Some of you don't like my car, and some of you don't like my color choice, but regardless I think I deserve to ask questions about improving my car without yet another flame war breaking out. There's plenty of shitty pointless threads around here to do that with.
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