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Nov 19 2013 12:29pm
since youre not in a rush and settling things in with your other finances wait until christmas to at least shop for a car, crazy discounts

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Nov 19 2013 05:34pm
didnt read through the topic but to the OP

the gasser i bought i didnt put any money down and financed the truck + TTL. granted i pay bi-weekly and double up the payments so i wasn't worried about taking out an "upside-down" loan.

the only issues with this are these:
if you don't have gap coverage insurance and you total your vehicle before your loan amount is less then or equal to your payoff you get stuck with X amount of money owed to the institute you took the loan out from.
if you decide to trade in your vehicle before your loan is less than the trade in amount you end up adding that money onto your next loan (if you even get approved) and you end up further into the hole.
if you have a need tosell your vehicle in a short period of time before blah blah blah. you get the picture.

If you are stable and know you can keep up with your payments, go for it.
if you are in an "iffy" situation where you are not sure about your finances. i would recommend a different route

you can usually save .25~.75% on yo're interest rate with a decent down payment (staying under a 80% value of vehicle to loan ratio, i.e. 2k down on a 10k loan) in my experiences. that half a percent wont make or break the bank, i've rarely put money down on loans for vehicles.
If you are looking to do an upside down loan or a no money down loan. TD Auto Finance is very friendly with these types of loans. I've never been declined by them for anything. granted i do have a good credit history. The only problem with them is the dealership you are working with has to be affiliated with them n order to use them. its a 3-4 week process (for the dealership) to get into the system for TD, so if your dealership is not affiliated with them its very unlikely that you will be able to use them, however, if the dealership you are using has them on the list of institutes then by all means shoot them an application.

i got a 1.39% interest rate on a ~42k loan over 75 months with nothing down and a vehicle value of 38.5k (KBB MSRP)

This post was edited by jimmyhoud on Nov 19 2013 05:43pm
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Nov 19 2013 05:43pm
Quote (boisssy @ Nov 19 2013 01:29pm)
since youre not in a rush and settling things in with your other finances wait until christmas to at least shop for a car, crazy discounts

gl


When it starts snowing i will be in rough shape with my rwd car with summer tires.
Granted I could but some winter tires and probably be fine, I need a 4x4 for a few other reasons too.


Quote (FMX_89 @ Nov 19 2013 08:59am)
Unless it is an incentive rate through a collaborating bank (still dependent on a credit requirement) the down payment definitely effects interest rate.  A shorter loan term or biweekly payment will lower it as well.  The down payment gets you a lower rate because it decreases the loan to value ratio of the loan.  That decreases the risk the bank is taking on the loan.  That is especially true on new cars because it will depreciate several thousand dollars the minute you drive it off the lot.  If you financed 100% of the car the lender is now liable for that immediate loss of value if you default.

Credit unions and incentive rates can get you around that.  If you can secure a good rate, keep the cash in your pocket.  The opposite strategy, the one I tend to use, is to put down a big enough down payment to ensure you can get out from under the loan easily if you need to.  You never know what is going to happen these days.  Jobs are less stable.  If you make sure you owe less than trade in value of the vehicle you can get rid of it at the drop of a hat.  I don't like having a car payment anyway, so the faster I can pay something off the better.

If you don't put down that down payment, make sure you have access to enough cash to make up the difference.  If you do one of those two things, you will never have anything repossessed if you fall on hard times.  JSP snobs laugh all you want, it can happen to anybody, a lot quicker than you think.  Few people carry the recommended 3 to 6 months of income in savings these days.


Im looking at the new wranglers and even ones with 100k miles are selling for high prices and rather quickly at that. The resell value is great on them which sucks for someone looking to buy used, but its nice to know how well they hold their value. I should be able to start getting my savings back up there pretty quickly I just dont think I can get enough before I will need to buy.
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Quote (AXIS @ Nov 18 2013 12:29am)
Long story short Im pretty much selling off my stocks and bonds and draining my savings this week to get rid of the $18k in student loans I have.
Ill still owe $5k to my parents but other than that Ill have $1500-2k a month of income that I won't need to set aside for bills or anything.
I'm not worried about being able to make payments or anything but I am looking to buy within the next couple weeks and I wont have anything saved to make a down payment with.
If I go through a dealership will the lack of a down payment hurt my interest rate?
I think I can finance it through the delta credit union without a down payment if I need too but it would be easier to have a dealer arrange it if possible.


You have so many different assets, things you can sell off, etc etc...

If you're seriously worried about not having a down payment, why don't you just wait a couple of months, save up this 1.5-2k income you have going on here and then use that as a down payment instead of going through all this hassle
If you have to get your 4x4 soon, then you can go to different banks, or other financial agencies and pay off more/month to decrease your principle. hence your overall rate would go down...

and I would worry about keeping a job if I were you, things have been so up and down lately with the economy. I think you should re-evaluate everything. A portfolio should rarely be liquidated to pay off loans. I keep my payments just because they also help my credit rating which leads to higher limits on my credit card :D
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Nov 19 2013 06:41pm
Quote (sicksynergy @ Nov 19 2013 07:20pm)
You have so many different assets, things you can sell off, etc etc...

If you're seriously worried about not having a down payment, why don't you just wait a couple of months, save up this 1.5-2k income you have going on here and then use that as a down payment instead of going through all this hassle
If you have to get your 4x4 soon, then you can go to different banks, or other financial agencies and pay off more/month to decrease your principle. hence your overall rate would go down...

and I would worry about keeping a job if I were you, things have been so up and down lately with the economy. I think you should re-evaluate everything. A portfolio should rarely be liquidated to pay off loans. I keep my payments just because they also help my credit rating which leads to higher limits on my credit card :D


Im not worried about the monthly payments, just the interest rate. So if a downpayment wont change my interest id rather just have a higher payment.

The company I work for is doing very well and the company I just left would take me back almost instantly (granted i would make a good bit less).
I really didnt have a choice as far as selling of my stock, I was required to after leaving my last company.
My credit limit is already at like $5k, I dont think I will need anything higher any time soon.
I already plan to pay extra a month regardless of the amount, my only concern is what sort of interest rate i can get.
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Nov 19 2013 08:01pm
Quote (AXIS @ Nov 19 2013 07:41pm)
Im not worried about the monthly payments, just the interest rate. So if a downpayment wont change my interest id rather just have a higher payment.

The company I work for is doing very well and the company I just left would take me back almost instantly (granted i would make a good bit less).
I really didnt have a choice as far as selling of my stock, I was required to after leaving my last company.
My credit limit is already at like $5k, I dont think I will need anything higher any time soon.
I already plan to pay extra a month regardless of the amount, my only concern is what sort of interest rate i can get.


Unless you are ready to throw down a significant amount down then don't worry about it.

Given you are willing to pay extra every month then just save what you could put down and use that to paying extra monthly...Refinance later on and get yourself a lower rate.

Honestly just ask a bank (if you have one in mind you intend on using) to show you the #s for both scenarios with x amount down all the way to 0 down....
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Nov 23 2013 02:07am
often times putting down a solid down payment is even better than a 0% apr
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Nov 23 2013 03:38am
buy a honda for 2k

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Nov 23 2013 10:49am
Quote (cjlove90 @ Nov 23 2013 03:07am)
often times putting down a solid down payment is even better than a 0% apr


How so? Do you mean you could negotiate a lower price with a good downpayment?
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