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Oct 11 2013 09:07am
Quote (Epicexecution @ Oct 9 2013 06:05pm)
yeah, I mean I personally would use a reputable tuner because they have experience working with problems and kinks in the tune and usually have everything down perfectly.  They've seen problems that a first timer won't notice

but if your gonna do it with your friend definitely rent a dyno like ride said


A dyno isn't necessary if he has a wide band O2 sensor.
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Oct 11 2013 12:42pm
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A dyno isn't necessary if he has a wide band O2 sensor.


Better safe than sorry imo.
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Oct 11 2013 02:17pm
Quote (Sopranos @ Oct 11 2013 01:42pm)
Better safe than sorry imo.


It's no safer... thats my point. A dyno does 2 things. It measures torque output and can monitor A/F ratio via a wideband O2 sensor shoved up the tail pipe. If you have a wideband plumbed into the exhaust (which you should on any modded turbo car) it is just as safe. You have to drive it anyway to get the tune nailed down at part throttle. WOT is the easy part. Its making it drive well that is tough.

A dyno is a tool but not a necessary one. There is a reason race cars go to test and tune night at a drag strip. The ones making 6-7x the power of this car.
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Oct 12 2013 09:57am
Quote (FMX_89 @ Oct 11 2013 04:17pm)
It's no safer... thats my point.  A dyno does 2 things.  It measures torque output and can monitor A/F ratio via a wideband O2 sensor shoved up the tail pipe.  If you have a wideband plumbed into the exhaust (which you should on any modded turbo car) it is just as safe.  You have to drive it anyway to get the tune nailed down at part throttle. WOT is the easy part.  Its making it drive well that is tough.

A dyno is a tool but not a necessary one.  There is a reason race cars go to test and tune night at a drag strip.  The ones making 6-7x the power of this car.


My car will run on street daily, not a dyno.
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Oct 17 2013 04:05pm
It's ok bud, don't listen to the haters. These cars are pretty reliable if you take care of them. I've had mine for 4 years with over 100k miles. Only major thing I had to do was change out the clutch. I'm running around 450 awhp on a conservative tune. Good luck with your build!


Are you on evom?




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Oct 17 2013 04:17pm
Quote (antidevil158 @ Oct 17 2013 06:05pm)
It's ok bud, don't listen to the haters. These cars are pretty reliable if you take care of them. I've had mine for 4 years with over 100k miles. Only major thing I had to do was change out the clutch. I'm running around 450 awhp on a conservative tune. Good luck with your build!


Are you on evom?


http://i47.tinypic.com/2vjwrro.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/906np2.jpg


are the shark fins on the roof for aerodynamics? not trolling i mean for like gas mileage. ive seen similar things on cars but never knew their intent.
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Oct 17 2013 04:50pm
Quote (TiMasse @ Sep 17 2013 03:29pm)
What I bought for my car so far:

- Cold air intake aem with K&N "shroom"
- Glowshift pillar pod
- Prosport boost gauge
- Prosport Oil pressure gauge
- Swift Spec R Springs
- MAP Sensor
- Cable Tactrix
- Evoscan


What I plan to buy for the car:

- Wideband + sensor
- Electronic boost controler
- O2 housing + downpipe
- Cat back full exhaust
- Ets intercooler kit
- Gaz pump
- Injectors
- Cams
- Tune


Update!! :D

This post was edited by TiMasse on Oct 17 2013 04:50pm
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Oct 17 2013 04:52pm
Quote (antidevil158 @ Oct 17 2013 06:05pm)
It's ok bud, don't listen to the haters. These cars are pretty reliable if you take care of them. I've had mine for 4 years with over 100k miles. Only major thing I had to do was change out the clutch. I'm running around 450 awhp on a conservative tune. Good luck with your build!


Are you on evom?


http://i47.tinypic.com/2vjwrro.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/906np2.jpg


Yes I am :P

Well the evo,s are special cars... They are not like other craps :P I do it mainly to keep a track of my stuff!

You can message me there, TiMasse@evom! Will love to learn more about your build!

Quote (JDH @ Oct 17 2013 06:17pm)
are the shark fins on the roof for aerodynamics? not trolling i mean for like gas mileage. ive seen similar things on cars but never knew their intent.


Vortex is more for stylish (I think)
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Oct 17 2013 06:48pm
Mostly for style but it does has a function. They are called vortex generators, you can find them on airplanes as well.

Ill draw us a pic


w/o vortex generator


with vortex generator


the red ares shows high pressure air, the blue shows low pressure air, and the orange shows approximate air stream over vehicle

sorry for the poor quality, but im doing what i can with what i got

especially note the differences in the airflow (orange) over the rear window, and its proximity to the rear window, which can be characterized by the sixe of the low pressure bubble (flow seperation) on the back window

so what does this show. if you concentrate on the VG section you will notice a difference. one (the one whith the huge VG) lets more orange in closer to the car's back window.

this means 2 things.
1. there is more airflow to the rear wing (if you have one)
2. the low pressure bubble behind the rear window is reduced.

low pressure bubbles (or seperated flow). in short, they are bad for aerodynamics.
think of this: how does a vacuum cleaner work? well it sucks air into it. how does it do that? by pumping air out thereby creating a low pressure, and the sucking is the air rushing in to equalize the pressures (its really that simple )
so effectively low pressure bubbles "suck" cars back (this is one of the reasons for rear diffusers and vortex generators, among other things)

how the vg reduces low pressure bubbles. the vg is exactly what it is named for. it creates vorticies. if you dont know a vortex is basically a "whirlpool" you might see in a draining bathub/sink, or a river. but this vortex is made in the air (because air is a fluid, just like water is a fluid) the vortex, if you notice, has a big side, and a small side. at the tip of the vg is the small side. as distance from the vg increases, the size increases. what this does, is infringes on the low pressure bubble, and "mixes" higher pressure air, with the top layer of the low pressure bubble, effectively moving the pressure gradient closer to the car than a non-VGed evo

so what the VG does, it reduces drag on the vehicle [by reducing the low pressure on the rear window] and it increases downforce [by allowing more air to pass over the rear wing's airfoil]
however the vg's also do create their own drag, because the frontal area technically would create a high pressure region, but the benefit outweighs the cost in this case


here is mitsu's official technical write-up on the subject (and they have real CFD pictures!!!!)
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2004/16E_03.pdf
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Oct 17 2013 07:20pm
w/o vortex generator



with vortex generator
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