When it comes to getting power from an engine bigger really is better. Thats not an opinion, thats a mathematical fact.


And whats worse than some of the ricers in crappy cars out there are the ones with cars that can actually perform decently like the 350z posted above. Completely ruining the performance of a car by tilting the rims and throwing some rubber band tires on it is idiotic.

There are CAR Enthusiasts and there are Car wanabee's



im not a ricer but I own a civic coupe 5h gen.

YES I do have a big ass cannon ( sounds like a F1 which brings me joy and puts a smile on my face when vtec hits ) its mounded to a 3' exhaust system
YES I do have 4 cyl. 1.8 litre ( little engine )

Why? First off it's " cheap ", 2nd, honda's are great for modification. It gives off true meaning of driving


ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING , 4 CYL = LESS WEIGHT. My civic has 180 bhp atm @ 1 ton weight, around 6s to 100 km/h. It's a GOKART. Rapes corners at high speeds, its loud and obnoxious.

True pistonhead's know what driving is all about, not some mesurements or numbers on a brochure.


LOUD and Agile is what I love. Driving in a straight line is total absurd to me, therefor 4 cyl is good enough.

I like cars not brands, I dislike people who diss on car brands like BMW people hate on Civics, guess what? I own bouth!

im not a ricer

You sure bro?

honda's are great for modification. It gives off true meaning of driving

Not really... at all. How many track cars out there are hondas?

ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING , 4 CYL = LESS WEIGHT

Not always. Even then the weight difference isnt always much at all. I have seen 1.8L's swapped out with 5.7Ls that only gained ~180 lbs WITH a heavier differential and transmission added too.

True pistonhead's know what driving is all about, not some mesurements or numbers on a brochure.

True "psitonheads" typically dont race FWD ecoboxes either.

LOUD and Agile is what I love. Driving in a straight line is total absurd to me, therefor 4 cyl is good enough.

All cars can be loud, its not like thats an advantage for hondas.
Engine size doesnt determine handling properties

I dont think most people hate civics, more so the drivers of civics who think they are performance cars.

This post was edited by AXIS on Feb 25 2013 07:09am

@ AXIS

Yes, like I mentioned " cheap " . Not everyone can afford proper racecar's. That dosent mean that you have to stop doing what you love.
For a budget car as my honda I can get as much fun out of it as possible, even if it's fwd. Ignorant people wouldnt understand.

+ gas prices are ridiculously high so a 1.8 litre engine is better for me than a hudge american beef v8 engine( id love to get a v8 though ). Say what you want, drive what you want as long as its not a TDI .



Engine size dosent determine handling properties? I disagree with this, yes the suspension is the key but engine size and its placement play a part of weight destribution if you plan to swap an engine that wasent placed in the car in the first place ( eg. "1.8L's swapped out with 5.7Ls that only gained ~180 lbs ")



if hondas are not preformance cars then what is a s2000/nsx ? If Keiichi Tsuchiya says they are, they are. If Hondas are not preformance cars why does Spoon and Mugen still exist ? Even though honda hasent made a decent car n 10 years

This post was edited by toddavid on Feb 25 2013 07:35am

I don't think being a gang member makes sense, but apparently it does for some people.
I don't think going door to door attempting to convert people to a religion makes sense, but it does for some people.
I don't think making my slow car really loud and gaudy makes sense, but it does for some people.

I would say it's a culture too.
A standard is set and everyone attempts to maintain the standard for whatever multitude of socioeconomic reasons.
Not to say we arn't all involved in our own stupid cultures, with or without knowing it
I'm sure there are people who look at things you and i do in the same light.

But the world keeps spinning

some people like eating their own shit and attack people with broken glass shards.

we put those people in mental institutions because they are a danger to everyone.

ricers build cars out of shit and attack people with their shit cars when they try to be race car drivers on public roads.

seems like one is as bad as the other to me.

Like I said before, just because an engine has more displacement doesnt mean its going to be heavier.
The swap I was referring to is on a early 90s Miata. The weight gain is under 200lbs (about the same as having a passenger in the car) and the weight distribution actually improved by a %.
I also didnt say Hondas werent performance cars, I said how many track cars do you see out there that are track cars. And you pretty much named the only ones.
Civics and Accords arent and have never been good performance cars (at least without being 90% aftermarket).
As far as a budget performance car a honda still isnt really the way to go.

And whats wrong with a TDI?

okay, agree'd. I see what you are saying.

TDI was just a childish joke, nvm.

I hate hellaflush/slammed cars because i wouldn't be able to do these

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is what a subaru is for.

But even as track cars slammed tuners are awful. You deal with accelerated tire wear, seriously reduced traction and turning radius, and a general increase in suspension/steering wear and tear... As far as "We do it to piss off the people who don't understand it," you kids need to grow the fuck up. Build a car because you like to drive it, not because someone else doesn't like it. I personally believe no one actually LIKES to drive a slammed tuner... It's uncomfortable, handles like shit, and costs a fortune in repairs. That also addresses the "cheap performance" idea... If you think it's cheap, add up all the end link bushings you've worn out and the tires you've burned through.