Quote (FMX_89 @ Jun 23 2012 01:58pm)

I for one am not hating.  I totally get the "Driver's car" thing.  I am utterly disappointed in Toyota/Subaru though.  They missed a grand opportunity to sell thousands upon thousands of these things.  With 200hp it's deceptively quick.  It makes less torque than a base model Cobalt though.  This isn't 1960.  You don't have to hang a heavy iron block V8 over the front wheels to make it fast.  There are plenty of ways to make more power for marginally more money.  You are already charging almost $30k for these after dealer markup (which makes initial buyers tards, just like the 350z/5th gen Camaro etc) what would be so hard about giving it 260hp or 280hp?  That is not some astronomical number.  If they put it in that power range you would have people clamoring to buy it.  It would blow the Miata out of the water.  It would embarrass many a Corvette.  It could MSRP for $30k.


Like it or not the feeling you get from that extra power will make the car come alive.  There is no downside except for more of them being wrecked.  The last time I checked adding horsepower doesn't necessarily make a car handle worse.  With more power they could have people like myself interested.  People that drive big diesel trucks and drag race 3500lb cars who's ideal car is 3200lbs/600hp.  You would be amazed by how many people like me are out there, and they missed most of us.  It just doesn't work at that power level and price.  If it was $20-22k 200hp that's fine.  Approaching $30k there are just too many other things I would rather drive.  At $30k you have to consider the used market as competition too.  You can pick up low mileage high end cars for $30k that annihilate this thing from a performance and features stand point.  At closer to $20k the used market is not nearly as appealing.  You go from low mileage LS3 C6 corvettes back to C5 Corvettes whose design is 15 years old.


I don't think any of this is hard to understand.  If you want to go drop $30k on one be my guest.  It's your money.  Don't cry in 2 years when you can pick up a used one loaded with options with 30k miles @$18000.

Quote (Thing1 @ Jun 23 2012 03:12pm)

Truth right here.

I'm guessing there going to release either an STi model or FRS- Sport model that is hopefully boosted or just completely different motor turbo'd and sell it for 10-15k more.

Atleast I hope so.

Quote (FMX_89 @ Jun 23 2012 07:58pm)

I for one am not hating.  I totally get the "Driver's car" thing.  I am utterly disappointed in Toyota/Subaru though.  They missed a grand opportunity to sell thousands upon thousands of these things.  With 200hp it's deceptively quick.  It makes less torque than a base model Cobalt though.  This isn't 1960.  You don't have to hang a heavy iron block V8 over the front wheels to make it fast.  There are plenty of ways to make more power for marginally more money.  You are already charging almost $30k for these after dealer markup (which makes initial buyers tards, just like the 350z/5th gen Camaro etc) what would be so hard about giving it 260hp or 280hp?  That is not some astronomical number.  If they put it in that power range you would have people clamoring to buy it.  It would blow the Miata out of the water.  It would embarrass many a Corvette.  It could MSRP for $30k.


Like it or not the feeling you get from that extra power will make the car come alive.  There is no downside except for more of them being wrecked.  The last time I checked adding horsepower doesn't necessarily make a car handle worse.  With more power they could have people like myself interested.  People that drive big diesel trucks and drag race 3500lb cars who's ideal car is 3200lbs/600hp.  You would be amazed by how many people like me are out there, and they missed most of us.  It just doesn't work at that power level and price.  If it was $20-22k 200hp that's fine.  Approaching $30k there are just too many other things I would rather drive.  At $30k you have to consider the used market as competition too.  You can pick up low mileage high end cars for $30k that annihilate this thing from a performance and features stand point.  At closer to $20k the used market is not nearly as appealing.  You go from low mileage LS3 C6 corvettes back to C5 Corvettes whose design is 15 years old.


I don't think any of this is hard to understand.  If you want to go drop $30k on one be my guest.  It's your money.  Don't cry in 2 years when you can pick up a used one loaded with options with 30k miles @$18000.

Quote (Trademarks @ Jun 23 2012 09:05pm)

To be honest the 2013 Ford fusion is gonna rape the BRZ in every aspects.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Jun 23 2012 04:12pm)

Family sedan versus sports car?.....

Quote (FMX_89 @ Jun 23 2012 07:58pm)

I for one am not hating.  I totally get the "Driver's car" thing.  I am utterly disappointed in Toyota/Subaru though.  They missed a grand opportunity to sell thousands upon thousands of these things.  With 200hp it's deceptively quick.  It makes less torque than a base model Cobalt though.  This isn't 1960.  You don't have to hang a heavy iron block V8 over the front wheels to make it fast.  There are plenty of ways to make more power for marginally more money.  You are already charging almost $30k for these after dealer markup (which makes initial buyers tards, just like the 350z/5th gen Camaro etc) what would be so hard about giving it 260hp or 280hp?  That is not some astronomical number.  If they put it in that power range you would have people clamoring to buy it.  It would blow the Miata out of the water.  It would embarrass many a Corvette.  It could MSRP for $30k.


Like it or not the feeling you get from that extra power will make the car come alive.  There is no downside except for more of them being wrecked.  The last time I checked adding horsepower doesn't necessarily make a car handle worse.  With more power they could have people like myself interested.  People that drive big diesel trucks and drag race 3500lb cars who's ideal car is 3200lbs/600hp.  You would be amazed by how many people like me are out there, and they missed most of us.  It just doesn't work at that power level and price.  If it was $20-22k 200hp that's fine.  Approaching $30k there are just too many other things I would rather drive.  At $30k you have to consider the used market as competition too.  You can pick up low mileage high end cars for $30k that annihilate this thing from a performance and features stand point.  At closer to $20k the used market is not nearly as appealing.  You go from low mileage LS3 C6 corvettes back to C5 Corvettes whose design is 15 years old.


I don't think any of this is hard to understand.  If you want to go drop $30k on one be my guest.  It's your money.  Don't cry in 2 years when you can pick up a used one loaded with options with 30k miles @$18000.

Quote (Babolat @ Jun 23 2012 04:38pm)

Yeah, we all wish the power was around 250-270 but it's not.  I just love the look and feel of it, it drives so smoothly and is very enjoyable.  Is it overpriced? Perhaps, but I was willing to pay for it just because of the rarity and smoothness of the ride.