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Oct 7 2013 08:34pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Oct 7 2013 10:21pm)
so having children allows you to be completely irrational and use lethal force on people?

on second thought i realize you could of meant this in multiple ways.

if you are referring to me personally not having children because i prefer logic over emotion...then put your mind at rest because this world is becoming a worse and worse place for intelligent people like myself.

i'm going to go shoot a bunch of black people now even though they didn't actually harm me but because i thought they might harm me because of the way they looked.



you apply no logic whatsoever lol

and if you consider yourself intelligent, im the king of mexico.

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Oct 7 2013 08:38pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Oct 7 2013 07:29pm)
your example requires "someone trying to hurt them".

the bikers in this video didn't touch him or his family until he ran over people and drove off and even then they only gave him minor injuries and didn't touch the wife or child.


So what you are saying is, he should have waited for someone to smash the windows and pulled the family out to beat them up, and then run. Because he shouldn't leave or do anything until someone ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY hurts them? Do you know that the bikers wouldn't actually hurt them? Think about what I just asked... DO YOU KNOW THAT THE BIKERS WERE NOT GOING TO HURT THEM?
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Oct 7 2013 08:43pm
Quote (Bootyscrumtious @ Oct 7 2013 09:38pm)
So what you are saying is, he should have waited for someone to smash the windows and pulled the family out to beat them up, and then run. Because he shouldn't leave or do anything until someone ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY hurts them? Do you know that the bikers wouldn't actually hurt them? Think about what I just asked... DO YOU KNOW THAT THE BIKERS WERE NOT GOING TO HURT THEM?


yes i do know they were not going to hurt them....because they didn't.

just like a police officer...you aren't allowed to use deadly force unless someone is actually threatening your life.

had they pulled his door open...then yes he could of used deadly force in a lot of states.

had they smashed the windows...then yes again this is a time when you can use deadly force.

nothing about this situation that has come to light so far justifies it though. he claimed they cut his tire on the front passenger side of the vehicle with a knife...now how on earth would he of seen this happen? does he have the ability to see through metal? his story doesn't add up at all.
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Oct 7 2013 08:45pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Oct 7 2013 10:43pm)
yes i do know they were not going to hurt them....because they didn't.

just like a police officer...you aren't allowed to use deadly force unless someone is actually threatening your life.

had they pulled his door open...then yes he could of used deadly force in a lot of states.

had they smashed the windows...then yes again this is a time when you can use deadly force.

nothing about this situation that has come to light so far justifies it though. he claimed they cut his tire on the front passenger side of the vehicle with a knife...now how on earth would he of seen this happen? does he have the ability to see through metal? his story doesn't add up at all.


i officially just read the most stupidest thing in my life. thank you for that.
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Oct 7 2013 08:47pm
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i officially just read the most stupidest thing in my life. thank you for that.


if you had the ability to comprehend something more difficult than "the cow goes moo" it would make sense to you.
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Oct 7 2013 08:53pm
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if you had the ability to comprehend something more difficult than "the cow goes moo" it would make sense to you.



you do realize youre the only one in both threads in defense for the bikers actions right?

what does that tell you?
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Oct 7 2013 08:54pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Oct 7 2013 07:43pm)
yes i do know they were not going to hurt them....because they didn't.

just like a police officer...you aren't allowed to use deadly force unless someone is actually threatening your life.

had they pulled his door open...then yes he could of used deadly force in a lot of states.

had they smashed the windows...then yes again this is a time when you can use deadly force.

nothing about this situation that has come to light so far justifies it though. he claimed they cut his tire on the front passenger side of the vehicle with a knife...now how on earth would he of seen this happen? does he have the ability to see through metal? his story doesn't add up at all.


To test what you just said, I want you to walk up to a group of police officers at your local starbucks with a steak knife and waive it in their face telling them," I'm not trying to threaten your life officer, I just wanted to show you the new knives I bought."

Nothing would happen to you since you are not threatening their lives, am I right?
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Oct 7 2013 08:55pm
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you do realize youre the only one in both threads in defense for the bikers actions right?

what does that tell you?


tells me that the vast majority of people on this site are unable to have a reasonable argument with valid points so they resort to emotional arguments with zero supporting evidence.

you still haven't made a single point that justifies the suv driver using lethal force.

so before another response of you doing nothing other than talking for no reason......

show me some evidence that justifies his use of lethal force.

Quote (Bootyscrumtious @ Oct 7 2013 09:54pm)
To test what you just said, I want you to walk up to a group of police officers at your local starbucks with a steak knife and waive it in their face telling them," I'm not trying to threaten your life officer, I just wanted to show you the new knives I bought."

Nothing would happen to you since you are not threatening their lives, am I right?


you would get arrested because you are still probably breaking multiple laws by doing so.

they would draw their weapons and tell you to drop yours...if you don't comply and come towards them then you are about to become friends with a taser or pepper spray.

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Oct 7 2013 09:00pm
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tells me that the vast majority of people on this site are unable to have a reasonable argument with valid points so they resort to emotional arguments with zero supporting evidence.

you still haven't made a single point that justifies the suv driver using lethal force.

so before another response of you doing nothing other than talking for no reason......

show me some evidence that justifies his use of lethal force.



you would get arrested because you are still probably breaking multiple laws by doing so.

they would draw their weapons and tell you to drop yours...if you don't comply and come towards them then you are about to become friends with a taser or pepper spray.


why would they do that? you were not going to hurt them.
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Oct 7 2013 09:08pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Oct 7 2013 10:55pm)
tells me that the vast majority of people on this site are unable to have a reasonable argument with valid points so they resort to emotional arguments with zero supporting evidence.

you still haven't made a single point that justifies the suv driver using lethal force.

so before another response of you doing nothing other than talking for no reason......

show me some evidence that justifies his use of lethal force.



nys penial law 35.15

A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person.

now apply that to this situation. shouldn't be too hard.

bikers were hindering his ability to drive himself, his wife and his child. fearing for their safety that he may get into an accident because a group of bikers, with a past history of violence, are fucking with him, he did what he could legally, and got the fuck out of there. him striking a biker as a result of trying to flea the antagonizing bikers, is perfectly legal.
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