arguing for the money is the way to go if you want to argue is. compare a 2012-13 civic si performance per $ vs 2012-13 mustang gt.

their main argument is because so many people think their econobox civics/accord are some sort of race car. this is obviously generalized bias but its still fairly common to see a teenager with a fart can exhaust on a base model civic act like he has a fast car.

not saying the same thing doesn't happen in the mustang crowd with old v6 or old modular 4.6 people but its far less common.

let's take the new civic si vs a new v6 mustang however and compare them. both are ~$22k starting price

civic si: 134hp per ton ~15 second 1/4 mile time.

v6 mustang: 179hp per ton ~13.6 1/4 time.

so for the money in new cars the lowest end mustang is a better performing car by quite a bit compare to a honda civic SI.

and before you argue on the track one is better i think we can defer that point to the mustang gt which can tie/beat a bmw m3 on a road course.

if the weight of the car was comparable youre bigger engine smaller engine theory might hold more water. the reason such smaller power numbers in a civic equals a faster car is because it is so light it doesnt take as much horsepower to get it going and up to speed. a mustang probably weighs around 1k pounds more than a civic so it has to have a lot more horsepower to get it going.

also if you want it to be a fair fight then add weight to your civic to equal the mustang.

good point. but tell me this how much more hp could hondas gain for being so light compared to the difference in torque and engine size difference? is it balanced or does the mustang still have the edge? so you're saying let's make it even and make the hondas even more heavier (hello, still a weaker engine) to make it fair? does that sound fair to you?

edit: you're missing the point. right now hondas are way lighter than mustangs but you guys still romp on us; so why make hondas more heavier to "even" the fight when clearly we already lose 1v1 stock.
the difference in engine size + torque that you guys have, overcomes the little "difference" in weight. so pls count that out.

This post was edited by kevinbui on Feb 1 2013 05:54pm

134hp/ton civic and 179hp/ton v6 mustang.

honda civics are fat these days. only 500lb difference between the civic si and the v6 mustang.

especially the newer hondas after 2000's. rofl i call them whales!

in overall, i didn't mean to start shit. i'm just saying mustangs truly brings hatred to me because everyone who owns one, talks mad shit about hondas and other imports. when clearly, they win for sure vs stock but talk mad shit when the hondas are "fixed up" to even the fight. and then they go out saying "OH HE NEEDED MODS TO WIN" the fuck. it wasn't even a fair fight to begin with.
a term we're all used to hearing "pick on someone your own size" doesn't that sound right?

the fuck is wrong with kids these days....

> Mustang thread
>14 pages already

Only fucking here....

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