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Dec 13 2016 01:13pm
Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ Dec 13 2016 01:59pm)
Yeah, you won't end up saving any money when you factor in time, labor, and extra parts to convert.

If the vehicle held some sentimental value - then okay, fair enough. Do it for Dad, or Grampa, etc..

But the guys who build the good stuff - and I know you know this - have the build entirely planned out before they start. They also choose the right base to start from.
This doesn't appear to be one of those builds. You don't just piece together a reliable 800hp build; you create a symbiotic system, only as strong as its weakest component.

And before I come off as a total douchecanoe, I'll leave it at that.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.


Have you read this thread? You are solidly perched on the meal high ground here lol.


Quote (Z97 @ Dec 13 2016 01:57pm)
Eh I can see 700-750ish if you overboost on e85.


Considering he could swap the a GTX wheel version of the same turbo and make 800 at a lower boost pressure I don't see the point. He is starting from scratch. Using those turbos and setting those goals makes no sense when there are other options out there of the same size that will easily do the same job. I


It's the cart before the horse mentality. Set a goal, pick the parts needed to do it. If you do it the other way around you fail. Also if his tuner really said he can make 1k on those he needs a new tuner, stat. He acts like "the right tuner" can squeeze more power out of a given setup. All the tuner can do for peak power is get the WOT AFR right and keep adding timing until it knocks or lays over. On E85 it will lay over before it knocks. When it lays over you back it off 1 degree. Bam, that's your kill tune. Pull 3 more degrees and richen it up 2 or 3 tenths for your "street tune."
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Dec 13 2016 01:18pm
Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ Dec 13 2016 09:33am)
You're correct on the internals being the same, for the transmissions. I'm talking about the work involved overall.

The rear end ratios are vastly different, and with a big hp twin setup, first gear will be worthless.

Different rear differentials (3.67 on the TT, 4.08 on the NA).
TT rear subframe is different to accommodate HICAS.
Driveshafts are different for practically every configuration (TT, NA, 5-speed, auto, 2+2, 2-seater).
Despite the transmission gearboxes being the same, the TT has a larger bellhousing to accommodate the larger flywheel, which also places the starter further outwards.
TT and NA speed sensors are different due to the difference in final drive ratios.
TT has a larger clutch and flywheel.


Now, I know things like changing a bellhousing and getting a better clutch go hand in hand with a turbo build.... You just picked a really labor intensive way of getting what you want.

I could see buying the n/a if it was a slicktop, but you have a t top - so you have the structural integrity of al dente pasta. Not something I'd want in a 800 hp (apparently going to be world record holding) build.


Its called boost by gear tuning. Ill essentially be NA in first gear. Open wastegates


Ive wanted this specific Z for years. It came for sale and i scooped it. There really isnt much I need to do to the drivetrain at all. Speaking of HICAS buying an NA saved me the hastle of removing that too. Hicas is a deathtrap on stock power Zs.
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Dec 13 2016 01:23pm
Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ Dec 13 2016 10:46am)
Nah, that was z32 wiki speaking. I'm no expert on the z32. I just know some of the things he said didn't make sense to me. He chose the hard way to do it. As someone who does all of his own labor, and has converted a n/a car to modern forced induction, I am sensitive to the time and efforts involved with such things. You either need beaucoup bucks, (which if you had, why not buy the proper platform, and buy your head of choice?) or you do the labor yourself, which again - why do more work than what is required?

...the little things like installing a boost gauge, which the z32 tt already has, and countless other unmentionables will nickel and dime the builder of time, and the OP on billing, which could be spent on more productive means. Especially considering the severity of a 800 hp build.

There's a lot to be done in order to be safe, and at all reliable.

Maybe I'm not giving him enough benefit of the doubt, but the pragmatic side of me keeps me skeptical. I just don't see it.

However, that said, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong.


Who knows what it will make man but im in touch with the most prestigous Z tuner out there (arguably of course, but still)

Maybe it will onpy make 600. Thats still plenty. Im going for a show-and-go car. Ill take some pictures of everything eventually and post them.
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Dec 13 2016 01:35pm
Also, far from record breaking. The record was a stock na longblock. Ill be far from stock longblock. Wont be breaking any records.
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Dec 13 2016 01:40pm
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Who knows what it will make man but im in touch with the most prestigous Z tuner out there (arguably of course, but still)

Maybe it will onpy make 600. Thats still plenty. Im going for a show-and-go car. Ill take some pictures of everything eventually and post them.


Who are you talking about as the tuner?

Have you set aside a new clutch for the conversion cause that stock one is gonna get shredded quick.

You're gonna be a good 15-20k into this no problems
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Dec 13 2016 01:43pm
I guess he had no rebuttal for my jiffy lube education


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Dec 13 2016 01:46pm
Quote (Z97 @ Dec 13 2016 11:40am)
Who are you talking about as the tuner?

Have you set aside a new clutch for the conversion cause that stock one is gonna get shredded quick.

You're gonna be a good 15-20k into this no problems


Oh man I wish it was only 15-20k lol

Yeah ive got a SpecalityZ Hi Five. Gonna see how it holds.
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Dec 13 2016 01:47pm
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Oh man I wish it was only 15-20k lol

Yeah ive got a SpecalityZ Hi Five. Gonna see how it holds.


What shop is tuning the Z?
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Dec 13 2016 02:19pm
Quote (Z97 @ Dec 13 2016 11:47am)
What shop is tuning the Z?


I was going to use Harry Sandhu at ZTuner but hes honestly too conservative. My current tuner doesnt typically tune street cars so hes asked me to not say his name because he has no interest in doing anyone elses streetcar lol
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Dec 13 2016 02:23pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ 13 Dec 2016 15:43)
I guess he had no rebuttal for my jiffy lube education


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he puts stickers on cars and installs floor mats for a living he obv knows more than you peon
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