I get that but range is pretty remarkable considering no other car matches it and the only cars that look like they're going to match/exceed that range anytime soon are $100,000k+ offerings from Porsche and Mercedes coming in the next 5 years. Right now only California has the supercharger infrastructure but you can make longer trips elsewhere if you plan your trip well. At least you can in the US where there are charging stations in some places along most of the major US highways.

I don't think many people are buying Model S' to drive cross country anyway. If it was a serious impediment to the car they wouldn't have sold 100,000+ units in five years for a car that competes with the S Class and A8.

It's a novelty item to me until I can take it anywhere just as a gas powered street car that I couldn't drive across the country would be. The price range it is in guarantees the owners have other vehicles so the S need not leave it's home range.

I agree

Get a tdi... Oh wait

Pretty sure you can still buy used ones. Or at least you can in Canada.



I don't think the market base for Model S' are the type that goes on long road trips anyway. But I know people whose only car is a Model S. Pretty common in big cities where having more than one car is not practical.

Only from private party sales in the US, dealers have them just rotting away on the lots tho

I know the VW dealers can't move them but non-affiliated used car dealers or even other brands can sell them. I wasnt sure if it was different in the US though because the stop-sale is voluntary in Canada (because they broke no Canadian law) while in the US it's EPA mandated.

Yeah a great car/motor took a huge hit because of those fucks... Epa is a joke

While I agree about the EPA what they did was gross negligence. They deserve what they got. Besides, I picked up $5k worth of VW stock for cheap.

They knew what they were doing regardless of what the company says, so it is even worse as it is fraud not negligence. But it's still not fair.



If TDIs were American designed and built engines this wouldn't have happened. But they're German designed and Mexican/German built. A Cummins puts out far more CO2 and far more NOx but the EPA justifies their hypocrisy by calling them commercial engines. It's pretty absurd that VW can't bring their truck (Amarok) over because of the Chicken Tax, and even if they could bring it over they couldn't put their 3.0L TDI in it, but they could put a more pollutant Cummins in it and it would be legal. The worst thing is the talks to OK the 3.0L and 2.0L fixes are stalled because the EPA/US government is trying to strong arm VW into expanding US manufacturing even though the EPA can't really prove there is anything wrong with the 3.0L and the 2.0L fix has been accepted everywhere else.