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May 20 2016 06:53am
Quote (h4bs @ May 19 2016 03:59pm)
Forget that 12 months crap, that isn't smart for anyone except people who have money to throw away. Also you're wrong, you can negotiate the price of lease and not just the interest %.

If you like to change cars every 4 years, leasing is the better option. So what? I bought a 37000$ car, paid 17000$ over 4 years (note: I also only pay taxes on 17000$ and not 37000$) and car is back to dealer with a residuel value of 20000$. While you took on a 37000$ loan, paying more than me per month, and after the same 4 years you have MORE than 20000$ left to pay on your loan. You want to trade it in? We all know dealer lowball you on trade-ins. So dealer is giving you 17000$ for your car you stil owe 23000$ on. Want to sell the car yourself for more? Go ahead, will take some time and you won't save from the tax break of trading it in and still wont make equity out of selling it.

I work in car finance industry and work with negative equity loans every day. If you can afford to change new cars every 4 years, lease is the way to go, if you buy NEW cars every 4 years, you will end up with so much negative equity you won't even be approved for your 3rd or 4th car.

Cars are NOT like houses, you don't invest/build equity on them. They drop so much in value.


If you are recommending ANYONE take out a 7 year loan you should be beat with a club. People that fall into the scenario you are describing are not financially smart. They all have the mindset that they can afford a 60,000 dollar car because they can finance it until they are looking at retirement.

I have personally NEVER had an auto loan longer than 48 months, and only 2 at that. All of my new vehicles are financed over 36 months.

Here's an example. I purchased a 2013 Ram 2500 Brand new for 63,900 Just shy of 3 year ago. It will be paid off in July. No down payment 1.9% interest rate. I'll end up paying 1890 bucks in interest on the 36 month loan and I have 45,000-47,000 dollars in equity built in the truck come July.

Come July, I can buy the same trim truck for 66k brand new. But wait, I trade my old one in and pay 21,000 dolalrs for a brand new truck. Keep my payments the same and have the new truck paid off in 12 months or less. Keep the truck for 24 months payment free and repeat again.

Leasing always looks great on paper on a case by case basis. Look at it long term and you will see how foolish it really is. If you can't afford the vehicle you want in 36 months or less then sure you're losing out eventually. But it's not my fault you can't live within your income.
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May 20 2016 09:53am
Quote (jimmyhoud @ May 20 2016 08:53am)
If you are recommending ANYONE take out a 7 year loan you should be beat with a club. People that fall into the scenario you are describing are not financially smart. They all have the mindset that they can afford a 60,000 dollar car because they can finance it until they are looking at retirement.

I have personally NEVER had an auto loan longer than 48 months, and only 2 at that. All of my new vehicles are financed over 36 months.

Here's an example. I purchased a 2013 Ram 2500 Brand new for 63,900 Just shy of 3 year ago. It will be paid off in July. No down payment 1.9% interest rate. I'll end up paying 1890 bucks in interest on the 36 month loan and I have 45,000-47,000 dollars in equity built in the truck come July.

Come July, I can buy the same trim truck for 66k brand new. But wait, I trade my old one in and pay 21,000 dolalrs for a brand new truck. Keep my payments the same and have the new truck paid off in 12 months or less. Keep the truck for 24 months payment free and repeat again.

Leasing always looks great on paper on a case by case basis. Look at it long term and you will see how foolish it really is. If you can't afford the vehicle you want in 36 months or less then sure you're losing out eventually. But it's not my fault you can't live within your income.


Ok, if YOU can finance your truck on 3-4 years then you're good... but the BIG majority of people finance new vehicles on 7 or 8 years.

I agree in your situation it's better to buy/finance than lease. I do not recommend anyone to go that long, I work for the bank and not the dealership. But then again, do dealerships really care about the customers financial situation or moving a new unit out the lot?

Finance vs Lease varies case by case... lets leave it at that.
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Ok, if YOU can finance your truck on 3-4 years then you're good... but the BIG majority of people finance new vehicles on 7 or 8 years.

I agree in your situation it's better to buy/finance than lease. I do not recommend anyone to go that long, I work for the bank and not the dealership. But then again, do dealerships really care about the customers financial situation or moving a new unit out the lot?

Finance vs Lease varies case by case... lets leave it at that.


They do, I've seen people roll lease into lease into lease before as well and they end up paying 800 bucks / month for a 20k car. People are retarded and I can't believe there is a bank out there that would even touch a loan that is ANYTHING over 100% LTV

Hell, One of my employees jsut bought a new civic and is paying 12.9% Interest....on a 72month loan???

Nothing like buying the same thing three times over..

This post was edited by jimmyhoud on May 20 2016 09:59am
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Quote (jimmyhoud @ May 20 2016 11:58am)
They do, I've seen people roll lease into lease into lease before as well and they end up paying 800 bucks / month for a 20k car. People are retarded and I can't believe there is a bank out there that would even touch a loan that is ANYTHING over 100% LTV

Hell, One of my employees jsut bought a new civic and is paying 12.9% Interest....on a 72month loan???

Nothing like buying the same thing three times over..


That 12.9% is because of his credit. 99% of loans are over 100% LTV. When it comes to new unit you can base the value on the MSRP. Dealer sell price + taxes + products (insurance/ext. warranty etc.) always goes over 100% of the MSRP. We don't expect customers to put 5000$ cash down on every deal.
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May 20 2016 12:02pm
Quote (h4bs @ May 20 2016 09:04am)
That 12.9% is because of his credit. 99% of loans are over 100% LTV. When it comes to new unit you can base the value on the MSRP. Dealer sell price + taxes + products (insurance/ext. warranty etc.) always goes over 100% of the MSRP. We don't expect customers to put 5000$ cash down on every deal.


Gone are the days of 20% down minimum on an auto loan... Don't get me wrong, I take advantage of 0 down but I also pay for TTL out of pocket. I can't justify paying interest on it. Not to mention when you roll one vehicle with equity into the next, you don't have to pay the full MSRP in sales tax so I don't think I've ever paid more than 1200 bucks out of pocket for TTL unless I'm buying a vehicle without a trade in
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May 20 2016 10:43pm
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Ok, if YOU can finance your truck on 3-4 years then you're good... but the BIG majority of people finance new vehicles on 7 or 8 years.

I agree in your situation it's better to buy/finance than lease. I do not recommend anyone to go that long, I work for the bank and not the dealership. But then again, do dealerships really care about the customers financial situation or moving a new unit out the lot?

Finance vs Lease varies case by case... lets leave it at that.


People finance for 8 years now because they let the dealership sell them on a payment rather than a price. 5 years is my limit on anything unless it is under 1.5% interest.
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People finance for 8 years now because they let the dealership sell them on a payment rather than a price. 5 years is my limit on anything unless it is under 1.5% interest.


I honestly didn't even know you could finance an auto for 8 years... That is retarded.

Is this across the board on new vehicles or just higher end cars?
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May 21 2016 05:44pm
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I honestly didn't even know you could finance an auto for 8 years... That is retarded.

Is this across the board on new vehicles or just higher end cars?


All cars

Kia and Hyundais included
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May 21 2016 05:46pm
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All cars

Kia and Hyundais included


Whats the rate looks like for a normal 650-750 score? I'm curious on this now lol
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May 21 2016 08:53pm
Taking out longer loans is ......more logical and practical.


I did a 6 year lone for my brz giving me lower payments, yet i paid it off in two years time.


If i ran into a situation where i could only afford to pay the monthly payment, I could, rather than dish out a HUGE payment for a two year lone monthly cost.

credit score was above 700 and I got 2.9% apr, I didn't shop around for a better percentage.
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