d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > Sports Coliseum > Motor Sports & Cars > New Miata Vs Brz
Prev12347Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 10,044
Joined: Mar 8 2008
Gold: 815.00
Aug 5 2015 04:19pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 5 2015 10:09am)
I don't see anything helping your awd statement.

It sounds like you should be driving a cruise missile as a DD.


hi
Member
Posts: 17,247
Joined: Oct 19 2007
Gold: 484.02
Aug 5 2015 04:39pm
Quote (R0B3RT @ Aug 5 2015 04:55pm)
I was never a fan of the Miata, but it looks pretty sweet.
I know it's light as hell but damn that thing has like no power.

Iso one with LSX swap



Give it a year


Quote (Caedus @ Aug 5 2015 05:15pm)
Putting a bigger or faster engine in it kind of defeats the purpose of the Miata. It's only 150 HP but it does 0-100 in 5.9. Not fast, but it's quick, and more importantly it feels fast even if it's not. The designer of the Miata came out and said there are no plans to increase the power on the MX-5 because that's not what it's about. The only car that approaches the Miata in weight that isn't a total garbage bin on wheels is the AR 4C, and that's twice the price. The base BRZ has a 50 HP advantage on the Miata but it's 0-60 times are .5 seconds slower. The base Camaro has a 168 HP advantage on the Miata, and delivers exactly the same 0-60 times. Raw power isn't everything. Depends on what you're looking for in a car.



Since when have enthusiasts really given the first inkling of a fuck about what the designer of the car thinks it's all about? They are smart enough to see it for what it is and what it can be. No doubt people will be LSX swapping these things in the coming years. Does it need 800hp? No, it's 2500lbs. But 400hp with a table top torque curve, stiffer suspension, and R compound tires sounds like a blast. That is why people do it.

Get your nose out of the damn dealership brochure for once.


Quote (chaosoul @ Aug 5 2015 05:19pm)
hi


What's going on man. Long time no see.
Member
Posts: 18,699
Joined: Apr 24 2007
Gold: 0.00
Aug 5 2015 04:39pm
Quote (chaosoul @ Aug 5 2015 10:19pm)
hi


O.o
Member
Posts: 10,044
Joined: Mar 8 2008
Gold: 815.00
Aug 5 2015 04:48pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 5 2015 02:39pm)

What's going on man. Long time no see.



Quote (ozzyarmy3 @ Aug 5 2015 02:39pm)
O.o



Not much :) Busy modding my dodge
Member
Posts: 17,247
Joined: Oct 19 2007
Gold: 484.02
Aug 5 2015 04:51pm
Quote (chaosoul @ Aug 5 2015 05:48pm)
Not much :) Busy modding my dodge


.......

......

.....

....

...

..

.
Member
Posts: 8,671
Joined: Jul 9 2007
Gold: 11,961.01
Aug 5 2015 05:02pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 5 2015 10:39pm)

Get your nose out of the damn dealership brochure for once.


lmao, so much this.

and being on par with a heavy v6 camaro is nothing to write home about...
Member
Posts: 48,261
Joined: Aug 1 2008
Gold: 1,819.09
Aug 5 2015 05:04pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 5 2015 06:39pm)
Since when have enthusiasts really given the first inkling of a fuck about what the designer of the car thinks it's all about? They are smart enough to see it for what it is and what it can be. No doubt people will be LSX swapping these things in the coming years. Does it need 800hp? No, it's 2500lbs. But 400hp with a table top torque curve, stiffer suspension, and R compound tires sounds like a blast. That is why people do it.

Get your nose out of the damn dealership brochure for once.


Who's got their nose stuck some place it doesn't belong? It's clearly you. Who gives a fuck about what a very select group of "enthusiasts" are going to do with it (and it's pretty hilarious you make an assumption that "enthusiasts" will want to make the Miata 400 HP). If Mazda sells 1000 MX-5s, you'd be lucky to have half a dozen of those 1000 transformed into what you suggest.

The MX-5 is an ultra light roadster with sporty styling. Let's stop sticking up nose up that it only has 135/155 HP when it wasn't mean to be anything more than that. Car design and the class of car absolutely matters. The vast majority of people who purchase a car will never turn it into something it was not intended to be, even if they heavily modify it. This board is far too concerned with raw power. Mazda isn't an American brand, the enthusiasts for the most part, save a few people who will want to push the design to its limits, couldn't care about almost trilling the horsepower. And almost no Mazda enthusiast would ever consider putting a GM engine in a car. Unless it's a novelty, most brand enthusiasts would scoff at putting another brand's parts in their cars, let alone putting an American engine in a Japanese car. No, enthusiasts would be more interested in putting a bigger Mazda engine in the Miata, or tuning the stock engine.

For someone who can't stop telling people how terrible dealerships are, you can't seem to stop talking about them even when no one has brought them up. For someone who claims to work a dealership, you hold a pretty big grudge. What, upset they won't pay you more?

Quote (Epicexecution @ Aug 5 2015 07:02pm)
lmao, so much this.

and being on par with a heavy v6 camaro is nothing to write home about...


That's not the point. People bitch that it's so underpowered yet it's as quick as cars that are, nominally, significantly more powerful. If the car had lots of raw power, it wouldn't be a Miata. And for the record, I don't even like the Miata. Don't like it only has 155 HP? Then you probably don't like the kind of the car the Miata is. Every car doesn't have to be exactly like your favourite car. People, you know, have different interests. Some people want a sub-30K sporty looking roadster that feels quick because it's lighter than almost every car on the market, and they don't give a shit it only has 155 HP. If you give a shit, OK, but that doesn't mean that Mazda "has" to change the car. They're already on record saying they are not giving the car any significant power increases.

This post was edited by Caedus on Aug 5 2015 05:09pm
Member
Posts: 31,917
Joined: Oct 25 2005
Gold: 3,868.50
Aug 5 2015 05:14pm
QUOTE= R0B3RT,Aug 5 2015 04:55pm "Iso one with LSX swap"

You're welcome. (lol) This is one sick Miata.

Member
Posts: 8,671
Joined: Jul 9 2007
Gold: 11,961.01
Aug 5 2015 05:24pm
Quote (Caedus @ Aug 5 2015 11:04pm)
That's not the point. People bitch that it's so underpowered yet it's as quick as cars that are, nominally, significantly more powerful. If the car had lots of raw power, it wouldn't be a Miata. And for the record, I don't even like the Miata. Don't like it only has 155 HP? Then you probably don't like the kind of the car the Miata is. Every car doesn't have to be exactly like your favourite car. People, you know, have different interests. Some people want a sub-30K sporty looking roadster that feels quick because it's lighter than almost every car on the market, and they don't give a shit it only has 155 HP. If you give a shit, OK, but that doesn't mean that Mazda "has" to change the car. They're already on record saying they are not giving the car any significant power increases.


dude people bitch it's so underpowered because it fucking is. 150 hp wasn't even good 30 years ago. It's hilarious because they even advertise the car as a "remember, a back in the day car", but instead of throwing in a slightly bigger power plant, they give us some of the weakest horsepower numbers we've seen since the prius. all while being like "well, at least it doesn't weigh much for a 30k car".

Give that car a bigger power plant(or at least offer it as an option) and it is still light weight as fuck, except now its in the same class as the wrx/rs/evo. It'll be just as fucking fun in turns, except it'll have more power to back it up. NO it won't fucking kill people, shit the manufacturer might even make some god damn profit. But the fact is the japanese companies just won't do shit to compete with american performance/other manufacturers.

inb4, but but but adding bigger power plant defeats the purpose or some stupid shit

This post was edited by Epicexecution on Aug 5 2015 05:31pm
Member
Posts: 17,247
Joined: Oct 19 2007
Gold: 484.02
Aug 5 2015 05:25pm
Quote (Caedus @ Aug 5 2015 06:04pm)
Who's got their nose stuck some place it doesn't belong? It's clearly you. Who gives a fuck about what a very select group of "enthusiasts" are going to do with it (and it's pretty hilarious you make an assumption that "enthusiasts" will want to make the Miata 400 HP). If Mazda sells 1000 MX-5s, you'd be lucky to have half a dozen of those 1000 transformed into what you suggest.

The MX-5 is an ultra light roadster with sporty styling. Let's stop sticking up nose up that it only has 135/155 HP when it wasn't mean to be anything more than that. Car design and the class of car absolutely matters. The vast majority of people who purchase a car will never turn it into something it was not intended to be, even if they heavily modify it. This board is far too concerned with raw power. Mazda isn't an American brand, the enthusiasts for the most part, save a few people who will want to push the design to its limits, couldn't care about almost trilling the horsepower. And almost no Mazda enthusiast would ever consider putting a GM engine in a car. Unless it's a novelty, most brand enthusiasts would scoff at putting another brand's parts in their cars, let alone putting an American engine in a Japanese car. No, enthusiasts would be more interested in putting a bigger Mazda engine in the Miata, or tuning the stock engine.

For someone who can't stop telling people how terrible dealerships are, you can't seem to stop talking about them even when no one has brought them up. For someone who claims to work a dealership, you hold a pretty big grudge. What, upset they won't pay you more?



That's not the point. People bitch that it's so underpowered yet it's as quick as cars that are, nominally, significantly more powerful. If the car had lots of raw power, it wouldn't be a Miata.




Lol... You are so off base it is hilarious. You are utterly clueless. First off, the guy you quoted simply stated that he felt it was underpowered (his opinion) and was ISO an LSX swap. You then produce an essay explaining why no one should/could/would/will do that predicated on the fact that the designer of the car never intended it to have more power than they gave it. You think we are all too obsessed with raw power.

Congrats, you just ostracized yourself from the entire hot rodding culture. You don't understand it, and that is ok. We don't care that you don't. There are a lot of people that post in this forum that have the hot rodder mentality. There are millions of hot rodders world wide. From the redneck with a mullet sticking an off the shelf cam in his fox body mustang to the real estate mogul that sends his Lambo to UGR or GTR to AMS, we are all hot rodders.

You seem to care a lot about what the manufacturer wants a car to do and you seem to think it should do just that and everyone should leave it be. Many people feel the exact opposite and see a stock car as nothing more than a blank canvas.

I don't care how many people actually swap these new miatas. It will be done because there are guys out there capable of doing it. Just for the sake of dropping some extra knowledge on you, the miata is one of the most swapped vehicles in existence behind the 240sx, and fox body mustang. It is the perfect platform for someone that wants to create a monster on the cheap.


Do you really think people don't swap American engines into Japanese cars? That seals the deal imo that you know nothing about modding or the modding culture. People have been putting SBC's in datsuns since the 80's. It's super, super common now because you can buy a $500 5.3L out of a Silverado or Tahoe and swap it in while leaving stock and make the same power + more torque than doing a big turbo upgrade on a lot of the cars in question.


The dealership comment was a jab at you and I brought it up because you really do seem to care about what the OEM wants the car to do. Most of us don't give a flying fuck what they want, and that is why you don't fit in here.

Also, I do not work at a dealership, not even close. Stay small bud.



Edit: to your edit, no one suggested they change the fucking car. The guy said he was iso one of these new ones with an LSX swap. Quit making shit up. We know exactly what the Miata is supposed to be. It also happens to be a perfect starting point for a NASTY autoX, road course, or street sleeper setup. Quit hating because people want to do something to a car besides throw some stickers on it.

This post was edited by FMX_89 on Aug 5 2015 05:27pm
Go Back To Motor Sports & Cars Topic List
Prev12347Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll