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Dec 10 2014 10:42pm
Quote (Caedus @ Dec 10 2014 11:25pm)
If that were true, parts departments in dealerships wouldn't make any money (you don't make any money selling parts to your own dealership), yet a good parts department will easily have the highest profit margins at a dealership. A large dealership will also have a large delivery truck that is operating pretty much all day with deliveries. One of my friends runs a pretty small dealership and they have a large van that is delivering parts just about every day. A large dealership may have 2 or 3 large trucks delivering parts. A independent shop focusing on luxury German automobiles isn't going to go to NAPA to buy their parts, they'll use a high-end knockoff (in Canada an example would be Autocamping for Euro cars) or dealership parts.

Independent shops usually give people the option of what they want (aftermarket, knockoff, or OEM). If a independent shop refuses to use OEM or dealership parts, there's probably something wrong with them (usually they don't pay their bills so dealerships refuse to sell to them and have all the local dealerships blacklist them).

Obviously a dealership can have something awful working for them, but it's a lot less likely. Dealerships are bigger operations, more concerned with profit and image then other places. A bad mechanic will get drummed out of a dealership a lot faster then any where else (at independent shops, many times the bad mechanic is the owner). A well run dealership isn't going to keep a bad mechanic, as it looks bad on their image and it affects how much money they make.


You are talking about a niche market obviously. If a shop is putting a water pump on a silverado it isn't coming from a dealership.

They do make money selling parts to themselves... every part they use gets payed for by the customer right? And they set the prices... There are certain oem parts that aren't copied but most are at this point. Not to mention big brands like Ford and GM have their own parts sold through independent retailers (motorcraft and acdelco.)
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Dec 11 2014 05:06am
Quote (ChowYunFat @ Dec 10 2014 03:23pm)
Went to the stealership this morning for my complimentary oil change.  (Hey, free is free!)

They do their perfunctory "multi-point inspection."  When I'm getting my car back and signing it out, they tell me they recommend replacing the thermostat, and upper and lower radiator hoses, for...






the low, low, bargain quote of FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS.  But, that includes parts *and* labor!  :D

I legit feel bad for little old grannies and such that are getting fleeced by these schmucks.  Five hunnit, my ENTIRE ass.


Back when I worked at the Toyota Dealership we had a particular service writer that would try to sell customers parts that they didn't need, since service writers make money based on commission, dude, this fucker would upsale battery's, transmission flushes, and alignments. Eventually I started really noticing how totally fucked the dealership was, got out of that shit. Now I'm in ND as a fleet mechanic making 3x more than that shithole.

It kinda felt like I got hit with a brick my final couple of weeks working there, since, Toyota's my favorite brand.
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Dec 11 2014 07:09am
They're not supposed to do that. A good dealership won't do try to sell you things you don't need, and while they might have the reputation for that, a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch. I know a dealership where the sales manager was skimming money off accessories and options (that weren't actually happening), but that's not indicative of most places.

Quote (FMX_89 @ Dec 10 2014 11:42pm)
You are talking about a niche market obviously.  If a shop is putting a water pump on a silverado it isn't coming from a dealership.

They do make money selling parts to themselves... every part they use gets payed for by the customer right? And they set the prices... There are certain oem parts that aren't copied but most are at this point. Not to mention big brands like Ford and GM have their own parts sold through independent retailers (motorcraft and acdelco.)


It might on newer trucks. When I was in high school, I drove parts for a little bit for a dealership, independent shops bought just about everything except filters from the dealership. Some stuff more than others, but some of the more common ones were pads and rotors, hoses, etc.

I meant in a net sense. A parts department makes their money on wholesale to other shops, not to their own dealership. If they only sold to themselves they wouldn't make any money. Ford and GM do sell their parts through retailers too but that's no different then any other product really. You sell through your own network then through non-affiliated ones to capture the market you wouldn't otherwise get if you only sold through your own.

This post was edited by Caedus on Dec 11 2014 07:15am
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Dec 11 2014 09:29am
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They're not supposed to do that. A good dealership won't do try to sell you things you don't need, and while they might have the reputation for that, a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch. I know a dealership where the sales manager was skimming money off accessories and options (that weren't actually happening), but that's not indicative of most places.



It might on newer trucks. When I was in high school, I drove parts for a little bit for a dealership, independent shops bought just about everything except filters from the dealership. Some stuff more than others, but some of the more common ones were pads and rotors, hoses, etc.

I meant in a net sense. A parts department makes their money on wholesale to other shops, not to their own dealership. If they only sold to themselves they wouldn't make any money. Ford and GM do sell their parts through retailers too but that's no different then any other product really. You sell through your own network then through non-affiliated ones to capture the market you wouldn't otherwise get if you only sold through your own.



There is some serious delusion in this post. Apparently everything we know about dealerships is wrong and they really are good people trying to do right by their customers...

Lol
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Dec 11 2014 09:44am
Quote (FMX_89 @ Dec 11 2014 10:29am)
There is some serious delusion in this post. Apparently everything we know about dealerships is wrong and they really are good people trying to do right by their customers...

Lol


Would you like the undercoating sir?

just trying to help you out by spraying on something that the car manufacturer didn't think was worth doing.
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Dec 11 2014 09:51am
Quote (Subwoofer @ Dec 11 2014 10:44am)
Would you like the undercoating sir?

just trying to help you out by spraying on something that the car manufacturer didn't think was worth doing.


Lol that seinfeld episode
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Dec 11 2014 04:01pm
Quote (ChowYunFat @ Dec 10 2014 07:23pm)
Went to the stealership this morning for my complimentary oil change.  (Hey, free is free!)

They do their perfunctory "multi-point inspection."  When I'm getting my car back and signing it out, they tell me they recommend replacing the thermostat, and upper and lower radiator hoses, for...






the low, low, bargain quote of FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS.  But, that includes parts *and* labor!  :D

I legit feel bad for little old grannies and such that are getting fleeced by these schmucks.  Five hunnit, my ENTIRE ass.



Swapped 5 of the main coolant hoses to Venair silicon ones, thermostat, and flushed with Honda coolant for less than that on my NSX... They are getting you for labor, I think my local acura dealer charges around 120/hr for labor lol.
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Dec 11 2014 04:11pm
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Swapped 5 of the main coolant hoses to Venair silicon ones, thermostat, and flushed with Honda coolant for less than that on my NSX... They are getting you for labor, I think my local acura dealer charges around 120/hr for labor lol.


120/hr for a tech that got trained by someone paid 20/hr


makes sense dealerships
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Dec 11 2014 04:48pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Dec 11 2014 05:11pm)
120/hr for a tech that got trained by someone paid 20/hr


makes sense dealerships



If that. Don't get me wrong, a good tech that actually pays attention during all of the manufacturer courses can become a damn good diagnostician on that company's vehicles. Like any other business they are only going to perform up to what their manager expects and most of the service managers I've come in contact with are lazy as fuck and really don't care about trying to do the best thing for the customer. Just like the service writer they usually work for a low salary and big commission. One of my best friends is a Ford master diesel/gas/trans tech and made service manager at a small dealership within 5 years of being there. He is good and he is the only trained diesel tech and in house trans rebuild specialist they have. He has 1 other decent mechanic under him and 4 trained monkeys that I wouldn't let air my tires. That is a pretty typical ratio.

Dealerships are the trade unions of the auto repair field. $110-$120/hr for gas labor and $120-$150/hr for diesel labor is ridiculous when they do shit like charge a minimum of 1 hour for diagnostics just to pull OBDII codes. The $8/hr guy at autozone can do that for free, or hand you the scan tool and you can do it yourself.
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Dec 11 2014 05:05pm
Quote (FMX_89 @ Dec 11 2014 06:48pm)
If that.  Don't get me wrong, a good tech that actually pays attention during all of the manufacturer courses can become a damn good diagnostician on that company's vehicles.  Like any other business they are only going to perform up to what their manager expects and most of the service managers I've come in contact with are lazy as fuck and really don't care about trying to do the best thing for the customer.  Just like the service writer they usually work for a low salary and big commission.  One of my best friends is a Ford master diesel/gas/trans tech and made service manager at a small dealership within 5 years of being there.  He is good and he is the only trained diesel tech and in house trans rebuild specialist they have.  He has 1 other decent mechanic under him and 4 trained monkeys that I wouldn't let air my tires. That is a pretty typical ratio.

Dealerships are the trade unions of the auto repair field. $110-$120/hr for gas labor and $120-$150/hr for diesel labor is ridiculous when they do shit like charge a minimum of 1 hour for diagnostics just to pull OBDII codes.  The $8/hr guy at autozone can do that for free, or hand you the scan tool and you can do it yourself.


most people dont realize if alldata says job A should take X amount of hours but they get the job done 7 hours faster, then they are still charging you for what the book tells them. thats where they make extra bank at because they are doing more jobs and faster than they are supposed to do them. i think that coupled with shoddy training is why you get so many dingleberries working on your vehicle that does something stupid like leave the oil cap off when they are doing an oil change.
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