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Do not get a supermoto fuck.
I bought a brand new drz 400 in 2009, fucking things are gutless. Fun as hell but gutless.
And the tires blow on dirt, and the weight is completely fucked for dirt.
Buy a CR YZ or RM 450F, put a mirror and some lights on it. Have a torque monster, wheelie machine, big jump hittin mother fucker.
I miss my 450 :(
Love the look on peoples faces when you wheelie by them on the highway on a dirt bike..
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Aug 15 2013 05:10pm
Quote (TSL @ Aug 15 2013 05:43pm)
Do not get a supermoto fuck.
I bought a brand new drz 400 in 2009, fucking things are gutless. Fun as hell but gutless.
And the tires blow on dirt, and the weight is completely fucked for dirt.
Buy a CR YZ or RM 450F, put a mirror and some lights on it. Have a torque monster, wheelie machine, big jump hittin mother fucker.
I miss my 450  :(
Love the look on peoples faces when you wheelie by them on the highway on a dirt bike..


Motocross bikes require a LOT more maintenance to ride on the street than a dual sport. You will bleed money if you take care of it like you are supposed to.

Dual sports are a compromise. It isn't a sportbike and it isn't a dirt bike. Tire selection is key. I ran mostly street on mine and I can handle a road oriented tire in the dirt better than most as long as it is dry so I ran an 80/20. That is industry slang for a tire that us going to be ridden in the street 80% and dirt 20% of the time.

If you really want to ride it there and ride it home with no expectation of going really fast on the street or really quick in the woods get the dual sport. If you are looking at picking this up as a serious hobby buy the beginner woods bike I suggested and a truck or a moto tote if you buy the jeep. Try it out with an actual off road bike. If you like it sell it and get a used woods bike after the first year.

I enjoyed the maneuverability of the dual sport on the street. It saved me on several occasions. I've always had a dedicated off road bike though. I don't expect a dual sport to excite me offroad unless it is due to a surprise lack of grip.
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Motocross bikes require a LOT more maintenance to ride on the street than a dual sport.  You will bleed money if you take care of it like you are supposed to.

Dual sports are a compromise. It isn't a sportbike and it isn't a dirt bike.  Tire selection is key.  I ran mostly street on mine and I can handle a road oriented tire in the dirt better than most as long as it is dry so I ran an 80/20.  That is industry slang for a tire that us going to be ridden in the street 80% and dirt 20% of the time.

If you really want to ride it there and ride it home with no expectation of going really fast on the street or really quick in the woods get the dual sport.  If you are looking at picking this up as a serious hobby buy the beginner woods bike I suggested and a truck or a moto tote if you buy the jeep.  Try it out with an actual off road bike.  If you like it sell it and get a used woods bike after the first year.

I enjoyed the maneuverability of the dual sport on the street. It saved me on several occasions. I've always had a dedicated off road bike though. I don't expect a dual sport to excite me offroad unless it is due to a surprise lack of grip.


Maintenance takes like 10 minutes. Clean air filter, lube chain, change oil every few rides.
But honestly buy a jeep.
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Maintenance takes like 10 minutes. Clean air filter, lube chain, change oil every few rides.
But honestly buy a jeep.


Keep dreaming. When something breaks in a 4 stroke its big money. Valves need to be adjusted every 30-50hrs. New piston and rings every 75-100hrs. New valves, valve job, valve seats, valve springs, valve retainers, and timing gear/ chain after every third valve adjustment. This is all to keep it from exploding. You can risk it and put 150hrs on it without touching anything. At is a big risk though considering new cases and a full rebuild can run $2k without any damage to the head. I take care of my stuff. I used to work on bikes owned by people that would go until something breaks. It's cheaper to do preventative maintenance. That also comes with being a racer.


The oil and air filter in my bike gets changed every ride. It's 1 liter and 1/5th of a can of spray oil. Don't be lazy. Clean air makes valves and rings last a lot longer. The chain gets lubed before and after every ride. Linkages and steering stem gets greased every 4 rides or 1 muddy ride.

You can put 20,000 miles on a 650cc dual sport with just basic maintenance like oil and air filter. A 450cc motocross bike will probably need something replaced after 2,000 miles.
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Aug 15 2013 06:21pm
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Keep dreaming.  When something breaks in a 4 stroke its big money.  Valves need to be adjusted every 30-50hrs. New piston and rings every 75-100hrs. New valves, valve job, valve seats, valve springs, valve retainers, and timing gear/ chain after every third valve adjustment.  This is all to keep it from exploding. You can risk it and put 150hrs on it without touching anything.  At is a big risk though considering new cases and a full rebuild can run $2k without any damage to the head.  I take care of my stuff. I used to work on bikes owned by people that would go until something breaks. It's cheaper to do preventative maintenance.  That also comes with being a racer. 


The oil and air filter in my bike gets changed every ride. It's 1 liter and 1/5th of a can of spray oil. Don't be lazy. Clean air makes valves and rings last a lot longer. The chain gets lubed before and after every ride. Linkages and steering stem gets greased every 4 rides or 1 muddy ride.

You can put 20,000 miles on a 650cc dual sport with just basic maintenance like oil and air filter.  A 450cc motocross bike will probably need something replaced after 2,000 miles.


I'm aware of maintenance on a mx bike I've had at least 5.
If your lazy or fat buy a dual sport.
They're heavy which makes them not nearly as fun especially on dirt.
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Aug 15 2013 06:31pm
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I'm aware of maintenance on a mx bike I've had at least 5.
If your lazy or fat buy a dual sport.
They're heavy which makes them not nearly as fun especially on dirt.


Then why would you make it sound like oil and air filter=good to go? Owning several doesn't mean you take care of them. Most people don't. I worked at a 4 brand dealership that kept a 6 week service backlog with four techs for several years. The average motocross bike is a ragged out POS.

Lazy and fat has nothing to do with it. It's actually more work offload. It's all about what he actually wants to do with the bike. I thought I covered that quite well though along with the weight thing.
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