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Feb 9 2013 07:18pm
Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Feb 9 2013 09:04pm)
Supposedly his car does a 13 QM.


Straight line racing is a bit different. If we're still talking about the effects of spoilers.

When you increase downforce, you also increase drag, they share a correlation. One influences the other.

Drag, as it sounds, hinders straight line acceleration and top speed, while downforce, also known as "lift" allows for much higher cornering speed.

Getting the highest magnitude lift coefficient for the lowest drag coefficient is generally a good thing.

The effects of each is most noticeble in F1

In an engineer's perfect world they would have zero drag while the car is on the straights, and have a large amount of downforce in the corners.


Sorry for the rambling. I really like the subject of AERO. As it applies to many of passions. Automotive, Sailing and Aeronautics. Aerodynamics is fundamental in sail shape on sailboats (I race sailboats).

But again, all of these points are moot on your friends Subaru as he will most likely not drive above 100mph. And ESPECIALLY not in a rally situation.

This post was edited by OldAndyAndTheSea on Feb 9 2013 07:24pm
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Feb 9 2013 07:24pm
nascar even tried a wing on their cars and it was an utter failure. they went back to a spoiler instead.

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Feb 9 2013 07:27pm
It makes a difference around 80-100 mph+
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Feb 9 2013 07:28pm
Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ 9 Feb 2013 20:18)
Straight line racing is a bit different. If we're still talking about the effects of spoilers.

When you increase downforce, you also increase drag, they share a correlation. One influences the other.

Drag, as it sounds, hinders straight line acceleration and top speed, while downforce, also known as "lift" allows for much higher cornering speed.

Getting the highest magnitude lift coefficient for the lowest drag coefficient is generally a good thing.

The effects of each is most noticeble in F1

In an engineer's perfect world they would have zero drag while the car is on the straights, and have a large amount of downforce in the corners.


Sorry for the rambling. I really like the subject of AERO. As it applies to many of passions. Automotive, Sailing and Aeronautics. Aerodynamics is fundamental in sail shape on sailboats (I race sailboats).

But again, all of these points are moot on your friends Subaru as he will most likely not drive above 100mph. And ESPECIALLY not in a rally situation.


lol I agree with all you said friend. He is trying to convince me his spoiler adds effect starting at 60mph and his car will go up to 160. I won't argue with him as I've never driven his car.

Quote (JDH @ 9 Feb 2013 20:24)
nascar even tried a wing on their cars and it was an utter failure. they went back to a spoiler instead.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0717/rpm_g_johnson_580.jpg


I remember that. Thank God they got rid of it because it looked stupid too.
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Feb 9 2013 07:35pm
Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Feb 9 2013 08:28pm)
lol I agree with all you said friend. He is trying to convince me his spoiler adds effect starting at 60mph and his car will go up to 160. I won't argue with him as I've never driven his car.



I remember that. Thank God they got rid of it because it looked stupid too.


the side plates actually helped with side force but other than that it was junk. for what your friend is going to do with it the spoiler is useless. i dont think i could vote either way. im pretty certain its not helping the car but i dont really see how its hurting it either.
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Feb 9 2013 07:39pm
Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Feb 9 2013 06:04pm)
Supposedly his car does a 13 QM.


we have a 8200lb 1 ton that runs mid 10's

we dont need a wing. Just 33" bfg's and lots of fuel
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Feb 9 2013 07:50pm
Here's a cool vid of a rally subaru with no wing. Also it has nothing to do with this stupid argument.

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Feb 9 2013 08:04pm
Quote (Krnboi12345 @ 9 Feb 2013 20:50)
Here's a cool vid of a rally subaru with no wing. Also it has nothing to do with this stupid argument.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHzNSu-ELIs


lol
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Feb 9 2013 08:11pm
It is functional, but for how hes driving it hes never going to notice it.
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Feb 10 2013 06:07am
Quote (NinjaSushi2 @ Feb 9 2013 08:04pm)
Supposedly his car does a 13 QM.


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