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Dec 10 2012 08:43pm
Quote (OldAndyAndTheSea @ Dec 10 2012 07:21pm)
Why has no one asked about any fluid levels?


It does sound like a Synchro to first problem, but definitely make sure you aren't leaking transmission fluid. Or hydraulic fluid leading from the master to the slave cylinders. Or your clutch could be out of adjustment. Or.....or.....

You need to be much more specific, as there could be a couple possible reasons to shifting hard.

You haven't really given us much information. 

Hows the pedal feel?

Does it shift normally in other gears?

It is unlikely that ALL the synchros gave out...So if its shifting hard in all gears, you're probably low on fluid.


This. I've seen Synchros go on individual gears (Usually first, from hard downshifts), but for them to all go simultaneously, equally, and with no warning is not so likely.
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Dec 10 2012 08:59pm
So check my transmission fluid?

I dont see how that would cause these issues. But then again I am no car geek.

I will do so this weekend guys! Thanks for your help
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Dec 11 2012 09:23am
Quote (joshd21 @ Dec 10 2012 09:59pm)
So check my transmission fluid?

I dont see how that would cause these issues. But then again I am no car geek.

I will do so this weekend guys! Thanks for your help


imo its either clutch out of adjustment or clutch went bad. if you have it in gear and the clutch pushed in does it try to pull or does it stay stopped without the brake being applied?
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Dec 11 2012 10:17am
i had this issue with my swift, afther 2 very cold nights (-40celcius) air had made its way into my clutch line, had it bled and voila
maybe you could having some good ol bubbles acting up that where already present in your clutch line.

This post was edited by BlueAndWhite on Dec 11 2012 10:18am
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Dec 11 2012 10:39am
My vote goes to a bad master or slave cylinder. Or like BlueAndWhite said maybe simple as air in the lines.
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Dec 11 2012 11:35am
I'm getting multiple different opinions here. None of them are really pointing towards one obvious problem.
When I have the clutch pushed in, does it try to pull? I'm unsure what you are asking. Yes it tries to push back to a regular state like normal but thats it. And yes it is stopped with brakes applied and clutch in. The clutch acts exactly as it should.

@ BlueAndWhite - Are you talking about the hydraulic (brake fluid) line or transmission fluid?

I have been looking at symptoms of bad master cylinders and feel like it could be this as well. How possible is it to replace a master cylinder in a garage?
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Dec 11 2012 11:41am
Quote (joshd21 @ Dec 11 2012 05:35pm)
I'm getting multiple different opinions here. None of them are really pointing towards one obvious problem.
When I have the clutch pushed in, does it try to pull? I'm unsure what you are asking. Yes it tries to push back to a regular state like normal but thats it. And yes it is stopped with brakes applied and clutch in. The clutch acts exactly as it should.

@ BlueAndWhite - Are you talking about the hydraulic (brake fluid) line or transmission fluid?

I have been looking at symptoms of bad master cylinders and feel like it could be this as well. How possible is it to replace a master cylinder in a garage?


Time for process of elimination. Do you have a repair manual for your car? I would start by reading the troubleshooting section and run some tests before you waste any money replacing things.

As far as replacing the master cylinder it is very straight forward just be sure to bleed it properly of course.

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Dec 11 2012 11:49am
Quote (joshd21 @ Dec 11 2012 01:35pm)
@ BlueAndWhite - Are you talking about the hydraulic (brake fluid) line or transmission fluid?

I have been looking at symptoms of bad master cylinders and feel like it could be this as well. How possible is it to replace a master cylinder in a garage?

im talking about the hydraulic clutch line ( also dot fluid like brakes) when you push on your clutch pedal you push you master cylinder witch pumps hydraulic fluid all the way to the slave cylinder.
that slave cylinder will push against your clutch fork, thus disengaging the clutch and then re-engaging the clutch when you release your foot from the pedal. if you have air in your clutch line, it would be as if you never push the clutch in.

as you said when at a stop you cant engage the first gear, then you have a hard time shifting the other gears. try driving without the clutch you will get the same symptoms

the fix to this would be bleeding the clutch line, but before bleeding the line you have to know why you have air in it, it could be lots of stuff (slave/master/worn banjo bolt/etc, nothing to costly and not to hard to do

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Dec 11 2012 12:01pm
Quote (BlueAndWhite @ Dec 11 2012 12:49pm)
im talking about the hydraulic clutch line ( also dot fluid like brakes) when you push on your clutch pedal you push you master cylinder witch pumps hydraulic fluid all the way to the slave cylinder.
that slave cylinder will push against your clutch fork, thus disengaging the clutch and then re-engaging the clutch when you release your foot from the pedal. if you have air in your clutch line, it would be as if you never push the clutch in.

as you said when at a stop you cant engage the first gear, then you have a hard time shifting the other gears. try driving without the clutch you will get the same symptoms

the fix to this would be bleeding the clutch line, but before bleeding the line you have to know why you have air in it, it could be lots of stuff (slave/master/worn banjo bolt/etc, nothing to costly and not to hard to do


Thats not the problem though, because when I shoved it into 1st gear I had the clutch in and my car was in nuetral until I released the clutch.
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Dec 15 2012 10:52am
Checked my transmission fluid this morning and it was completely full.

So I didn't want to get in over my head and called my dads friend who owns his own garage. He said it sounds like the pressure plate has gone bad and that I would need a new clutch. He estimated it to be 600-700 with parts and labor.

Is this a fair estimate or should I look elsewhere.
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