exactly. i'd rather have someone end up with a 100% reliable setup with no compromise/guessing/best of luck situations. i don't want them to have to worry if they can use their a/c and headlights at the same time as their stereo lol.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Aug 17 2013 01:10am

subwoofer seems to know what he is talking about it is basic electricity... but from my experience you dont need a HO alt for 1200 rms and under.. anything above that or your running multiple amps I would say go for it.. but the setup this kid is talking about getting I dont see a need for it.. also the big 3 never hurts..

a cap wont help at all.. waste of money.. any reason your buying d2 subs with that shitty amp... alpine is all name... are those the only option you have or something? did you lookbon craigslist or ***? you can have people sell you shit and put it as a gift and will be able to dodge alot of shipping cost and taxes... idk but for 1500 $ that setup is a major rip off

It' snot a simple fact I install this shit for a living and I make money doing it I have ran a audio shop before ive mingled with New Englands loudest i could care less what you people THINK and who you THINK is right but fact is I run a 2kw+ system daily with no electrical upgrades, even the manufacturers themselves will tell you you don't need alternator upgrades for 1kw+ thats just retarded to spend that money that could have went into quality equipment on an electrical upgrade you dont need that's the point im making... Ive been doing 12 volt installs since I was 13 I know exactly what I'm talking about I can do almost anything with 12v.

I have VIDEOS of me running a DC 1.2K on my 90a alternator without dropping below 14v. If you go to any forum or site that has actually educated members they would laugh their asses off at the though of getting a H.O alt for 1000w lmao. If you know what you're doing in the least and not an idiot you can run almost anything on stock electrical daily.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 17 2013 04:50pm

Basic electricity doesn't always come into play theres too many factors to assume you need something if everyone got what they needed based off of basic eletrical knowledge people would be spending more on electrical than their system and not making much of any kind of gain, money that could have went into better equipment in the first place. If he was running 2k+ id say ya get an alt I can say I need one because idle itll drop to 13.5 and I dont like running lower than rated voltage for that amplifier but so far no smells no overheating or nothing theres just way too many factors to say hey you're running 180a you need a 180a alt because you have batteries, you have music that will use different voltage depending on the freq, youll have box rise, hell half the time your car won't be using nearly half of the amperage from your alt. you'll hardly ever see an amplifiers rated power with or without electrical upgrades. The best thing to do is get an efficient amp and efficient woofers and you'll get loud off 1k and not need any electrical upgrades.

If anyone doesnt believe me ASK KOOKYMONSTA considering hes the loudest guy here. The funny thing is Subwoofers never even had a system so thats why he doesnt know anything he goes off theory and "Facts" because he has basic knowledge on electricity any retard off the street can tell you what hes told us but it doesnt make it true.

I just dont get how I can be anymore clear I've posted videos, I've posted links to manufacturers stating what I'm stating, I've even made some pretty good explinations up as the why this is. Yet you still disagree with me this isnt a popularity contest it's car audio and I can say I know more than subwoofer 10 fold both education wise and experience wise. but w/e lol

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 17 2013 04:54pm

If you were an audio installer people would be broke with nothing to show for... Safe doesnt come with a price tag it comes with knowledge and ability, if you educate people when they buy stuff then you dont have to worry about them breaking their systems. Fact is doesnt matter if their electrical is good or not the same guy that would blow shit on bad electrical would prob blow it on good electrical because they dont know any better. People think the gain knob is a volume knob and put no time and effort in their installs thats what blows systems not electrical. The only time electrical should be an issue is for people who want to go big. If someone buys 5,000$ in equipment and then gets 10,000$ electrical hes still probably going to blow his shit if you dont educate him.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 17 2013 04:57pm

i'll just point out the obvious flaw in your retarded and short sighted argument.......

HIGH OUTPUT ALTERNATOR IS NOT A STANDARDIZED UNITS OF MEASURE OF ALTERNATOR OUTPUT

THEY DON'T RECOMMEND HIGH OUTPUT ALTERNATORS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DRIVE THEREFORE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SUGGEST AN UPGRADE

OHMS LAW IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT NOT A "FACT". GET EDUCATED BEFORE TRYING TO THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS AND PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.

YOU POSTED A VIDEO THAT TOOK 16 SECONDS OF PLAY TIME TO DROP HALF A VOLT...VOLTAGE DROP IS CAUSED BY THE ALTERNATOR NOT BEING ABLE TO OUTPUT ENOUGH POWER...ONCE AGAIN THIS IS A FACT.

sooo...to sum it all up....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

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http://imageshack.us/a/img819/1760/0501111243a9502.jpg


btw just like 10 of the 50 installs ive done not involved with the shop I'm uploading about 50 pictures from my phone of work ive done on 50,000$ vehicles just to prove I dont fuck around.

They don't recommend it because anything from a 60a to a 150a will run that amplifier flawless they can recommend a 90a alternator or above if it's required has nothing to do with the fact "they dont know." they dont know what battery you have yet they recommend a bigger one. That shows how flawed your statement is.

My voltage may have dropped about .5 volts but I still sustained enough voltage to run my amplifier as it is not producing the power it says it's reguardless because of box rise and freq change in a song. It's irrelvent it went right back up and maintained for another 20 seconds as long as your system is doing that it's fine. I've never seen anyone blow something hitting 13.5v lmao. That song was one of my must abusive songs becuase it's a constant high note that wreaks havoc on my electrical yet barely drops.

Say what you want subwoofer but you're wrong here tell ya what I'll post on caraudio.com asking if I need alt upgrade for a DC 1.2K @ 1 ohm on a 90a alternator. We'll see my responses.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 17 2013 05:08pm

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/general-discussion/587388-do-i-need-alternator-upgrade-dc-1-2k.html#post8454872

theres the topic and while we wait for responses entertain me and please link us some picture of your work, maybe boxes you built installs you name it i wanna see one reputable thing you've done. Cause to me you sound like someone who got 2 type r's and thought u were loud and turned elitest like every 16 year old that comes into my shop asking questions.