Yeah it doesn't do any justice... deffiantly a in person type of thing haha.

Run a podium bruh!~

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And yes, iPods do lower quality of music. Trust me, get a quality dB meter, play a song off an iPod, then play the same song as a .wav format.
Its not a myth, all the heavy hitters use podiums. I'm talking 160+, not the backyard systems you see here in Maine. I'm talking IASCA finalists.

This post was edited by Avoid on Feb 7 2012 07:44am

No thanks not really that big into competing once I hit a 150 @ 32 daily legal sealed on music I'll be happy... Just need a Crescendo 2kw and a new box and I should be close. As far as sound quality as long as I don't clip and don't audibly hear any distortion I'm happy and I get every clean watt out of my amp. I mean of course lossless audio in .wav format created by a production company is going to be better than a youtube rip converted to .mp3 and then lossless'd on the ipod but in the end for daily beaters like mine and bigger they don't like CD's lol a podium would work but what happens when I'm driving? :-p.

Eventually maybe I'll get a 32GB ipod or bigger and convert with .wav and use higher bit rates but for now I don't noticed any different tbh and not too worried about it I'm hitting 144's off 800rms @ 32hz so I figured my ipods doing something right besides most of your low end comes from your amplifier not your headunit or song.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 7 2012 07:46am

back yard hitters in maine? so a 158 sealed on music is nothing big? because he uses an ipod too.. and a kid hitting 150's off 2 18" solo x's walled in his car and so does a bunch of other big guys in the area... Steve Meade uses ipod format... Podiums are made so you're not in your car for people who don't use or want to use ipods it's not specifically for you r reason. and I never denied a CD track being cleaner infact I said you're partly right but it doesn't affect lows PERIOD and it doesn't affect SPL numbers that's where you're wrong and I can audibly hear the loudness difference between CD to IPOD so I know for a fact my ipod gets louder I don't need a meter lol.

what kbps rate are your mp3s?

and the real issue is the quality not the loudness. mp3s by nature remove large portions of audio in order to make the files smaller so its obvious why this hurts quality.

If you're going for quality then how does that corollate to being required for SPL or lows? my lows are the hardest hitting lows I've heard and I'm not even tuned that low lol... and yes you lose a tiny bit of quality but not enough for anyone to notice not even us. It's just not a real world problem in car audio, people don't notice it and it affects nothing sure if you're an Audiophile that's bent on EQ then sure it's better to run CD's I suppose but still nobody will audably notice.

The reason why MP3's are smaller is because they're compressed which obviouslys makes them more lossless and have a lesser kbps which sucks but is not noticable with such little difference.

When you're loud enough to the point where having a window open makes the difference in aCD skipping because of sound pressure you will understand why people use ipods lol.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 7 2012 07:52am

158 isnt big. Go to the IASCA world finals where guys are hitting high 160's. Steve Meade doesnt mean shit. He's overrated piece of shit. And I didnt say the only reason for a podium was for the CD not to skip, but that is one of the most common reasons. MP3's do effect lows, and highs. It literally cuts the bottom end off and the top end. Where are you getting your information? Sanford Sound? Ha. Do you even own a meter?

To anyone who says 158 isn't a big deal sealed legal obviously isn't loud themselves... and why do I have to goto a USACI event to confirm this? Steve meade got me into car audio and I've talked to the dude himself and he has helped me with a lot of shit. people are just haters. Why are you getting so defensive what do you even run for a system? and no I don't own a termlab but my shop does lol and paleeeze sanford sounds a joke. I'd like proof of your claim since it's not true because you're not losing shit by using an ipod at all.


btw: http://www.lincomatic.com/mp3/mp3quality.html

It states that there was no audable or technical difference and that the frequency differences were dependent soley on enclosure/amplifier and that the sonic differences between CD and MP3 were not substantial and MP3 was the better route.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 7 2012 07:57am

most people can't notice and thats why mp3 is so popular. this is also very dependent on the type of music you play. something intricate like acoustics sounds like complete shit on mp3 bit rates which proves the quality is actually far worse.

hurting your lows really depends on the codec used since they determine what stays and what goes. most codecs are tuned for human hearing but some will only start at 100hz.

people who SQ test find it very important. people who focus on only spl are missing out on the real challenge of car audio.

Funny thing is my setup is NOT SPL oriented and sounds fantastic... I'm aware that hearing isn't what makes or break a system as a lot of the good stuff we don't even hear but this isn't one of them things. and if you think SQ is the only challanging thing about car audio then you'er wrong concidering it takes a lot to make 2 dbs just off bracing a box/tuning and position. They're both equally hard to obtain but I prefer myself more SQL if there ever was a term as my system is suprisingly loud for what it's yet sounds clean as hell.

Personally the debate is so stupid it's almost pointless. Stating it just makes you sound like an uneducated elitest no offense.

Also Subwoofers you're correct... it's based on Codec quality and now that we have a more improved LAME codec with higher bitrate and less lossless information we actually have just about achieved CD format, just about...

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 7 2012 08:02am