Well half of your argument was how much stronger a solder was and how crimps often come out ive never seen one come out in my life that I or a professional has done... and doing boxes/fiberglass is 10 fold harder than soldering a harness which you seem to think is something so hard to do and makes or breaks a shop. Unless you live in Cali I hardly doubt your local shops do any good boxes/fiberglass work.

and why do you need such a solid connection on your wiring harness its barely transferring any power its not needed you'll notice no difference between a crimp and a solder in SQ or loudness the only time solder is good to use is on power/ground cable to make sure power is flowing well because that afterall is whats juicing your amp.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 18 2013 09:54pm

i never said stronger...i said more reliable. in what situation would i need high tensile strength connections in car audio installation? the reason i prefer solder+shrink tube is because its more reliable and have a much cleaner finish. not once have i ever soldered and shrink tubed a wire and had it fail a basic pull test.

they very much do..."Good" is of course subjective but they do offer them.

Regaurdless it takes longer and yields no perfomance gains and also costs more money not something a shop would want to do, If you want to think the shops are shitty go ahead but its not the installers faults.

If I were to do it on my own and had solder/shrink wrap lying around I might do it but never had the need plus you never see behind the headunit so who cares how it looks really? As long as its strong and the wires are bundled together nicely.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 18 2013 10:14pm

longer? more money? a few seconds and a few cents are good reasons to use a less reliable method?

what makes the shop shitty is worrying more about getting things done as fast and cheap as possible. doing the best job you can should be the main priority.

when its your own stuff i'm not arguing you can do whatever you feel like. if you want to use bubble gum and electrical tape...well thats your business. however when someone is paying for a professional install i feel it should be done better than they could of done at home.

It's not a few seconds... it takes nearly twice as long to solder/shrink wrap as it does to simply use butt connectors... and not a few cents quality solder is expensive and shrink wrap as well and the power it takes to use the solder all day long. Shops work off saving money it costs a lot to run the shop and use the equipment, the bosses of most shops will not allow useless time/money to wasted. It's just not effective cost/performance wise and thats why shops dont do it. To think that installers dont know how to solder/shrink wrap is rediculous its not know how its just how it works.

IF you ever worked for a shop you'd understand but you dont so just take my word for it and stop with this retarded argument. Theres no right or wrong it's what you prefer just dont go to shops but dont talk shit about installers because they dont shrink wrap and solder wiring harnesses all the time. If it was something you saw then yes people would probably take the time to do it but theres seriously zero reason to do this and a ton of reasons not to do it.

We do really clean professional installs at my shop and we dont solder wiring harnesses end of story think what you want lol when you have 4 installs lined up in a day and you need to figure out and do everything from scratch sometimes fixing other shops garbage you dont have time to fuck around with rinky dink shit like soldering when its not even needed. It's not like were sitting in our yard doing a friends install for beer and pizza we have a time line, we have a budget and we have a curtain way to do shit, even the installers dont always agree with it but its how the business industry works blame the shops not the installers.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 18 2013 10:25pm

you americans must be poor not to afford soldering + how americans can gain money is by put butt connectors on the system so the customers have to come back when it doesn't work anymore

yep....solder is overly expensive...i'm afraid we spend all of our money paying unskilled laborers the equivalent of $60+ an hour to follow color coded instructions and do the easiest and cheapest install possible.

haha

yeah cause u do it in ur back yard with cheap shit think about it $25 to run the shop then another $15 an hour to pay the installer than $$$ for the stuff used on the install... and the shop only gets $65 an hour you do the math lmao. Do 4 installs in a day thats a lot of solder/shrink wrap a week its not cost beneficial to shops. You just seem mad that I'm getting paid to do that and you're not.

This post was edited by Incriminator on Aug 19 2013 08:58am

It may be beneficial to your shop..however customers dont want things done poorly especially when you spend 750 bucks there on speakers ...deck etc