http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=qUrwkbUPwJY&feature=endscreen

theres my buddies CVX's really loud popular setup at the shows as you can see and only did a 141 sealed on music @ 32hz and a 145 with the doors and windows open. Kicker ZX2500.1D, 2 CVX 12's etc.
I can post the video of my boys Durango only doing a 140.5 with 4 12's and 2500w if you'd like also a really loud truck just not good on the numbers.

as i said...even when you know you are in the wrong you continue....just admit you overreacted and get over it for christ sake. i said if you built it right you don't have to build it again...then you flipped out.

by your own admission you built it with too little bracing and picked the wrong tuning frequency and now you are building another to try to correct those issues....this fits exactly what i said so why do get so mad about me stating facts?

sa-15+glx1400=$380.

box materials $50-68
line out converter $25
wiring kit $27

its within budget and will do the job fine.

and again if you want to start putting more constraints on "being loud" like for daily use and on music..thats your problem. you started out saying you can't do 140db with a $500 setup...you said nothing about any other factors.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Mar 18 2013 12:18am

theres no right or wrong i posted a damn video and you came in talking shit... its as easy as stfu dont dont post in my threads if you dont like me like ive siad 10x but you always have to get the last word in and be right. i didnt flip out i just corrected you you can think what you want all of my boxes have been plenty decent but i want perfection out of what i have which includes try and building new boxes anyone and everyone does it theres no just making 1 box. its almost impossible to know the perfect frequency without a meter other than using ear which is trial and error the bracing was fine but i want a kerfed port now and i just recently learned how to do it its not making mestakes its expanding and perfecting and improving on what i have now.

and whoever uses a line out converted is a complete moron im just saying heh anything less than 4v preout is a mestake without crossovers or a 4 channel. and a 1000w wiring kid will not cost 27$ and thats not saying that setup will even do 140db because i gaurantee it probably wont. ive just given prime examples of many systems way better than that not breaking 140.

anyone can get loud tuned to 40hz making a burp box in a CRX lol thats not the point I said my car what a good mix of SPL/SQ and DAILY it's also a low end monster there was no argument you just simply don't know what you're talking about and effortlessly bash my system like you could do better I gaurantee you dont know the first thing about making a nice daily spl setup.

The fact the recommend a line out without any crossovers or 4 channel is funny man have fun with distorted blown door speakers that don't keep up with the bass also have fun losing RCA voltage as the you lose almost .5 from using direct RCA inputs. Also ontop of that if your amplifier doesnt have enough rms reserve you will have to max out the HU and the amplifier to get that RMS have fun clipping the headunit causing distortion accross all frequencies and speakers.

Just sounds like a nasty dirty setup to me lol but be my guest.

there factually is a right and wrong in this.

i was right to say if you build it correctly you don't have to build it again...this is a factual statement that by nature cannot be wrong. its like saying "if its perfect its perfect"....you can't really argue with it because its sound logical reasoning. that was the entire point of why i said it....its a statement that in itself is perfectly reasonable in all aspects...you just chose to take it as an insult for some reason.

again the bold is exactly what i was referencing...for the love of god understand your error and stop making everything into a fight.

sometimes locs are necessary...like when someone issues a $500 challenge and you need to cut corners. calling someone stupid for working with what they have is like calling someone stupid for starving because they have no food.

probably wont and definitely won't are different things. the fact you said "probably" indicates you believe its possible....in which case i win that challenge.

you've also given me many prime examples of it being "all about the install". so let me ask...is their install perfect? could you do better with the same equipment?

because if it is perfect than that leaves the equipment itself in question...in which case its a question of do you understand that all subs are not equal?

i remember a discussion with you before claiming a single sa-12@1000rms could do 142 in a box of yours...so whats changed?

and i am by no means claiming that setup is good for daily use...that wasn't one of the parameters of your claim. i'm simply stating it could hit 140db....not how long it could do so safely or how good it would sound in the process.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Mar 18 2013 12:33am

ok well this will make it easy from now on nn ur 2 cents stay outta my tompics. and the sa12 did do a 142 in the box i did hence a good setup whats ur point? never said it was impossible just said i know u cant do it lol the whole point was u said u can pay to win lol when in actuallity it's not easy you just said it urself if can be improved i like how my current box sounds theres NO flaws but i just want higher notes and a smaller box for the higher power imma be throwing at it.

doesnt mean the box is FLAWED just means i need a better one now.

imo if u want lows on 2k with my btl my current box IS about perfect but it needs to be smaller for the extra power im gonna be giving it and i learned my tuning freq for my car is around 38 so if i tune slightly higher it wont affect my low end performance. i never argued that hitting high db's is that hard but the way i do it it's going daily with low tuning and competing on music and not tones is not an easy task and it does take time, testing and knowledge.

...your point against pay to win is giving me a set budget to work with to try to hit 140db? that makes no sense.

no flaws? your own admission was it needs more bracing...lack of proper bracing is a flaw. if you had just said you want higher tuning and a smaller box that would be one thing...you however said you wanted better bracing which is entirely different.

do you know the definition of flaw? if something is not perfect it is flawed...your box is not perfect for what you wanted so by nature it is flawed. just because someone says something is flawed(keep in mind everything we know is flawed) don't be so quick to make it into a fight...nothing is perfect so saying something is flawed is about as much of an insult as saying "your water is too wet".



i understand you built that current box to serve a specific purpose...however you found this purpose to be the wrong path later down the line. i'm not saying if you wanted to hit the lows well your box is bad at it...i'm saying your box is bad for what you want and you agree which is why you are building a new one. i have no idea why you think im insulting you for stating facts you have admitted.

and yes to balance a single setup for competition and daily use for high spl on music is harder than doing a purpose built competition setup built for burps or tones. i never said it wasn't.

tl;dr next please.