Lack of punctuation is worse than misspelling imo and you never punctuate, it's a lot easier to spell a word with word correction then to have proper grammar.

It's actually subwoofer type/box that matters more than power or amount of subwoofers/size I've proven this MANY times... You should know better than to talk shit about my 144 and the way I hit it.

it was a small competition? not really small compared to most but there were 15+ competitors and all of them had 2 runs. there were actually a lot of heavy hitters there. I actually built the box for the 4 12" R's running off a 2500 Hifonics. It was tuned below 30hz but still only hit a 141, thats how bad Type R's and HFI amplifiers are. Which you seem to think both are really good :-/

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 21 2012 12:27pm

i don't punctuate because its the internet and its not even close to as bad as misspelling. words being correct is far more important than being lax about punctuation unless you are doing something thats going to get graded or published.

i've seen multiple 35-38hz dual atr setups@a little over rms meter around 142. clearly he was doing something wrong.

and i never said they were really good. you think everything is great or terrible for some reason. atrs are not junk but they aren't great either. they are fine for daily use setups and get plenty loud with good build quality. hifonics are good if your on a budget but you will never see me telling people to buy it unless its a budget build(fyi most of the ones people ask for are in here). mb quart is what ive been suggesting lately for budget builds since they are better quality and in the same price bracket.

Funny thing is you say "it's the internet" why the hell do you think idgaf about my spelling? hypocrite much? and how is mispelling a word worse? it has been proven 55% of humans can read misspelled words if part of the word is in the right place where as with improper punctuation it's harder to read and more confusing and less professional and in school improper spelling is nowhere near as bad as improper punctuation but I'm guessing you failed English. - That was an example of little to no punctuation see how it ran on? that's how you type.

You've seen multiple 35-38hz setups hit a 142... His was tuned below 30hz like I stated you obviously know nothing about how frequencies affect your TL scores, going from 30hz-35hz could be an 2db improvement... 38hz 142 is just terrible fyi and again proves ATR's are crap.

and when you suggest ATR's and back them up the way you do, then it means you think they're good, I bet you ran ATR's lol and HFI line of hifonics is junk anyway you put it man they don't do rated and they are power hungry with tons of dirty signal. and the MBquart statement is the only thing I can agree with you on but I've seen you defend ATR's and HFI's so what gives? You're loyal to shitty brands? thought so been saying that the whole time.

This is pointless you're so fucking stupid, you also state that subwoofers put out power lmao! you're just a ball of problems man. You probably still use the12volt.com to check your ohm loads.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 21 2012 12:44pm

"you also stats that subwoofers put out power lmao!" what?

and i know how it works. notice how i said 35 TO 38hz? they weren't the same design and the box specs and power ratings changed between them so stop trying to focus on 1 detail like its the only thing i said.

without words there would be no use for punctuation therefore words are more important. its called deductive reasoning.

you can go argue with my 34 ACT score about my education level.

I edited it called a typo... Funny thing is I'm typing all this from my phone so QQ more about my spelling and less about my knowledge.

you know how it works? then why brag about a 142 @ 38hz period? that's just utterly shit, I ran a 38hz box for test purposes and I'm hitting 146+'s with no power increase. that's a 2db+ increase going from 32-38 it's not the only thing you've said but it's one of the dumbest.

and regardless what you believe or not schools pry more on punctuation than they do spelling, spelling is the most basic part of english. I know how to spell Mistake and Chemo I have a spell check too, I just didn't care enough like you do to correct it because it's a forum and you know what I meant, the fact that that's the only defense you have proves I won this debate.

and you could be smarter than me who knows? but I know a hell of a lot more about car audio and I've proven it MANY times, you just fail to realize it... Almost everyone here has agreed with me in one form or another, back the CA.com not getting warned again because you're too stupid to realize shit.

Oh yeah how much power does an ATR put out? since you know subwoofer's put out power. lol have a good day kiddo.

the point was atrs with budget are perfectly capable of 142-143 under normal conditions with barely more effort than your setup for a fraction of the cost and only 1-2db less.

your phone must be junk if it doesn't have auto correct.

the only ones that have agreed with you are the ones that know next to nothing about car audio themselves. i've never been wrong about anything we've argued over because its always the most basic things in car audio that you still don't understand.

lol bringing up my wiring abilities when you can't even suggest a setup without being wrong about the loads. unlike you i don't talk first and think second.

explained how speakers work in other thread since you don't get it.

Holy essays

Yeah the Samsung Galaxy X is junk I just turn it off because it makes me say stupid shit most the time and people dont bitch about spelling like you do unless they have no life. Also ATR's are NOT perfectly capable or 142-143's... If you need 1800+rms @ 38hz to hit a 142 with 2 Type R's then something is seriously wrong funny thing is I've put not time and effort into my setup to hit my 144 throwing less than half the power to my subs they're rated for, low tuning and playing slowed tracks in competitions (as well as "dreaded" mp3's) With very little modifications I can surpass a 146 easily where as Type R's cannot my subs hit 142's-143's easily Type R's do not.

You've been wrong a bout a lot, more than a couple things in this thread alone. and I've explained many times to you what happened, I guess when you don't work and you sit on these forums all day you have all the time in the world to think huh? I have not made ONE mistake since then broski.

and Bro I know how speakers work yeah you're right you lack a bit of highs from using mid-speakers but not to the point that you claim, same thing with the mp3 vs wav's, you guys assume the difference is major or noticable I've seen components sound better than coaxials and they're usually cheaper for the same performance. Range only gets your so far which is what you kids seem to not realize. Guess you don't realize 90% of OEM speakers are components with no tweeter add-ons and nobody ever notices lack of highs. For those with the money and the know-how I would suggest tweeters with mid-speakers but It's not a need at least not right away. Also there's a TON of mid-speakers out there that hit high end ranges that Tweeters provide and if you don't believe me I can list a few.

Ugh why am I still arguing with you? I seem to have a weak spot for wanting to prove you wrong. Oh well I'm done, I'll let you provide incorrect information it's not my problem. You'll just start avoiding me like avoid did after I handed him his own balls.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 21 2012 01:11pm

where did i say you needed 1800+rms to do it? i've seen them meter at 141-142 at 1300-1400rms in a good enclosure and okay amp. they won't do much better than that but for the price its pretty damn good.

thats the thing. you don't actually know what you are talking about most of the time. you don't even admit you are wrong when faced with the data to prove otherwise because you read someones opinion otherwise and take that as more important than the facts.

you lack a bit? mids only get you to around 5000hz and human hearing is up to 20000hz so how is that huge gap "a bit"?

stop saying component without tweeter...components are a midrange and a separate tweeter that is the definition of a component speaker. and a crossover before you try to get smart.

for the love of god read the words you are saying. midrange=middle range so how can a middle range speaker be used for high range? jesus christ you really need to use your brain.

the rest of your stuff is negligible since you don't even know what they are or why they exist.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Feb 21 2012 01:26pm

Actually adult hearing is only up to about 12000 and kids hearing is only about 15000 idk where the hell you got 20000 that's for young kids like 13-16... adults are lucky to hear above 15000hz. and you still can't name one thing I've been wrong about except the ohm load thing which was nbd. I've proven to you that Type R's and HFI's are junk, I've proven to you that my score is impressive and I've proven to you that you waste your time on this forum...

All you do is sit on this forum correct people and talk shit and recommend the same shitty equipment over and over while not owning ANY equipment yourself, so to me it seems like you're wasting your time and everyone elses, lack of life makes you this way I hope know. and once again you're wrong a Coaxial is a mid-range with a tweeter a component is just a mid-range.

It's obviously pointless arguing with you as you have more time on your hands than I do... and you lack the knowledge I have and have no reasoning skills, you're just another forum know it all that knows nothing and will sit here all day and just talk shit for the hell of it. Say ONE thing that makes sense or actually proves I know nothing or stfu simple as that.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 21 2012 01:28pm